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Okay, and we're back. Georgie Dinkov, how are you, buddy? Hey, good to see you again. Let me just move it so that people don't see the boxes. Yeah, so let's start with the elephant in the room. Can we even say his name on YouTube? It might get us another channel strike. But Nick Fuentes and Sneeko, they talked about Ray Peet a little bit. So that was the gigantic news event.

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And I interpreted it as a good thing. And so what did you think about the whole thing? Exact same thing. Somebody kind of like said, well, you know, maybe it's not such a great idea. There was a comment on Twitter saying that…

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It's not such a great, good development that the far right is kind of like promoting pteranism because it's going to turn a lot of people off. And I said, look, I don't care. The only way this helps people is if it goes mainstream. So if somebody is really popular and they're basically popularizing these ideas, at the end of the day, that's what matters. These ideas are reaching more people.

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A lot of people say they don't listen to these far right ringers, but I think they do behind the scenes. And even though they don't like them, you know, the message is out there. There's no such thing as bad publicity is what I'm trying to say. And whether it comes from Nick or somebody else, I don't particularly care. You know, if it helps people improve their health, I don't care even if a serial killer is promoting it. And I think a lot of people forget where they were when maybe they started the race stuff. Like…

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it's like you don't get to choose when some idea finds you you know and you could develop through it finding some ideas so like i know when i when i got into right stuff and i like identified probably as like a libertarian you know so it's it's not like oh you have to be somewhere specific before you can even get into this i don't i don't know it's like a bizarre like you mentioned identitarian

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It immediately became about identity politics. You know, I never said anything about… I mean, I know who the guy is, but I don't follow him. I don't identify with his ideas. All I said is, wow, Ray B is going mainstream. And then some people took this to mean, wow, now you're a Nazi, Georgie. You know, we're very disappointed. No, I'm a hardcore… I don't know, a mixture between a libertarian and a hardcore Leninist. Yeah, man, I thought it was crazy. I think the…

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Not to get too deep into this, because I did follow Nick for a while, because I wanted us to get on Cozy. So that's his streaming platform. And I think something happened recently. Do you know who Milo Yiannopoulos is? Yeah, he's a far right guy who basically like, I think he's the one who made Nick Fuentes popular.

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But he had some him and some other people were like messaging young guys or something. It was like asking for a photo. It was really bizarre. And it seemed like Nick was intertwined in it in some way or knew about it. Like it seemed really off.

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And so I messaged my buddy and I was like, maybe I don't want to be on Cozy after that. I thought the fact that Milo, I mean, Milo is gay, right? Not that there's anything wrong with it, but I thought the fact that he's a pedophile is kind of like… Reformed gay or something. I mean, if that is even a thing. Well, whatever that is, I thought that, you know, the public knows about that, but also like the public secret, so to speak, is that he's into…

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He's a minor attracted person, which is, I guess, the great version. This is the best episode to go live back on YouTube. Anyways, I, again, I interpret it as good. And then the one thing I wanted to say, which I already said on Twitter was in 2018, I think I possibly have this conversation recorded because I did do a series of phone calls to Ray about when I, when I was writing a book that basically I never finished and,

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And I mentioned to him kind of off the cuff, I was like, did you know that there's a right winger person with a lot of followers that mentions you as like popularize you to a degree? And I was like,

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What do you think about it? And he's like, oh, it's very good. Like he didn't give a flying fuck about it. Didn't care at all, you know? Yeah, but why would you? Again, why would you? If you want to help people, you want the message to spread as wide as possible, right? Dude, exactly. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I mean, I guess it matters who the message is to a degree because you're afraid it's going to turn some people off. But what I said in my Twitter post is that the last thing, so if this gets out in the public and becomes mainstream, there's no stopping it.

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So whether the repeat ideas become mainstream or not, the public will decide. And I think it's always a good thing. What we don't want is a small clique to decide, which is what the elite wants. So anything that can get into the public's hands and kind of get democratized, I think ultimately is a good outcome in my book. I mean, we already know about the carrot salad, which I think kind of hit the mainstream. I don't know who managed to get this popular, though. I mean, like, I suspect some of these…

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Inflation podcast has probably had something to say about it. I think it was Georgie Dinko talking to Paul Saladino and Mercola. I think that was the dude that did. I don't remember talking that much about carrots. Discussed other things.

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Oh my God. Do you hear that? It's a hailing like crazy here. Okay. So the last thing I, we can move on after this, but one, somebody was like, this is the equivalent of Madeline O'Hare. If you remember, that was the woman, the atheist, famous atheist woman that infiltrated Blake college and then just basically destroyed it. But I, I,

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I don't know if that's really the same thing here. No. We don't have like a well-defined group that you can infiltrate and kind of like, you know, destroy or compromise. The ideas are out there. Again, it's like a… It's really a meme, right? I mean, basically, once it takes a hold into the public's mind, then…

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Okay, let's see how they're going to take over and compromise the entire society. I'm not saying it's impossible. I think it's much more difficult than attacking a well-defined college where it was just, what, 20 or 30 people? So, yeah. So the more mainstream, the better.

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Dude, the Ray Pete sphere is very smart and they will suss out somebody who like is faking it or something. It's not, I don't think that's a problem. I agree actually. You know, once a person starts acting suspiciously, people, I mean, I'm just basing this off of the reaction of people on the forum. Once somebody starts acting weird, there's basically like a small clique that immediately gets attracted to that person and the rest of the people just ignore them.

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So I think this is more or less how life works, right? I mean, if you're a weirdo or you do something very bizarre, you're going to appeal to a small number of people. But that's about it. It stays there in a local. Like us. Yeah, exactly. But again, I mean, the Pythian community is so big and so geographically distributed that

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that I don't think he could be compromised just because Nick Fuentes is endorsing Ray P. - Yeah, it would have to be him diverting it to something it wasn't. Like if he was saying it was about race or something like that, that would be a distortion of what Ray was talking about, but that's not what's happening. So I mean, at least not yet. And again, the beauty of what Ray accomplished, especially the last five, 10 years, was talking so often

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And then writing prolifically. And so it's just, it's not that unclear of what he thought about specific things. And so it's like, if somebody wants to know, they can go find it, you know, and all these people building these search engines and stuff to consolidate his. By the way, we have people, members of the, I can call them Bitterian community who are actually actively working with RFK and polluting his mind.

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I mean, I don't know if you've seen some of his latest statements about how endocrine disruptors can feminize males and masculinize females. I mean, that's something that you, I, and Ray have been discussing for years and how the rapid skyrocketing of LGBTQ rates, which everybody thinks, oh,

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it's just a fad. It's going to pass, you know, like it's, it's no big deal. I don't think it's going to pass. These people are now like in the, in their mid to late twenties and, and they, you know, they stay this way. Yeah, sure. I guess you can say that there are social perks for identifying as one, but I know a lot of people who basically, you know, kind of came out and they're not doing it because of the fad. They are, you know,

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doing whatever LGBTQ people do, which is, you know, dressed, dressed as a different gender, identifies a different gender, sleeping with people that are, you know, like, uh, you know, not of the opposite gender. Um, so I don't think this is a fad. I think for a lot of people, it's basically, uh, you know, heavy, uh,

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heavily compromised endocrine system because of these endocrine disruptors. And I suspect RFK, Jun, he may be either reading the forum or somebody's feeding him someone's information. And I know this person told me that basically they've been interacting with him and talking mostly about vaccines because Ray talked about vaccines too.

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Bottom line is, if you look at everything that Rey has been writing about, there's basically at this point at least one famous person out there writing and popularizing on that specific topic. Whether they got it from Rey or not, it doesn't matter. The important thing is the message is out there, and now he has multiple champions. Almost everything that he's been writing about. I have yet to see somebody pick up the estrogen thing and start running with it. I think it's still a bit too controversial for people.

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But things like endocrine disruptors, the vaccines, I mean, they're very controversial, but I guess they're, for whatever reason, people feel more comfortable attacking vaccines than they feel attacking estrogen therapy. Yeah, I mean, that's a very nuanced conversation to try to explain it, the estrogen stuff. So you're telling me if you change gender and then take the drugs that they give you, you won't feel well? No.

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Well, I was going to say like one thing that always struck me as odd is that they're saying like, okay, you know, you don't, you've been born opposite gender, but in like one gender, but in another body. Right. And then they're saying, okay, so let's do the surgical procedures. Right. And then we're going to give you drugs and we're going to make you the gender that you want. Isn't that an admission? The gender is, is chemically manipulatable or at least the gender identity or at least the sexual identity is gender.

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is chemically manipulable. Don't try to understand that. But if you bring that up and say like, okay, hold on a second. If somebody feels like a woman trapped in a male body, instead of them chopping off their member and giving them estrogen and prolactin and maybe even progesterone. Actually, I don't think they even produce progesterone. Phenasteride too. That's like a carbon transition. Yeah, that's phenasteride. So instead of doing that, why…

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Why not, if they're already in the male body, how about you give them androgens and see if they can actually shift? Because they're probably a little bit closer to the male side because they were born in it, right? I mean, you have to check their hormonal profile. I wouldn't directly state that without seeing their hormonal profile. But wouldn't, on average, apply it would be easier to actually shift them towards their biological gender?

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versus trying to, through these barbaric procedures, and do all this work to get them to the opposite gender of what they actually feel like they should be doing. You've seen the actress, what's her name? Ellen Page, and now Elliot Page. Mm-hmm.

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I mean, I don't know, man, the work, the sex change work does not look good. There is the, I don't like the outcome. I mean, again, it's just me. I like her. I like her a lot more when she was in her. Yes. Slightly tone boyish, but, but female self. So Nick Flentes and now talk about trannies. I think this episode is fucked. So a good thing I'm recording it. Um,

11:15

Okay, so we could you tell me what you want to do We could talk about the articles that you put on hate it dot me or we should kind of go through Oh, I also wanted to show this. Do you know who made this? This is the best thing I've seen all year. This is

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This is genius. Whoever did this, you're… I'm assuming these are supplements that I'm surrounded with? Oh, that's what I thought. I looked real closely. It looks like either candles or supplement bottles. Or bottles. I mean, because look, like some of the bottles look like they have vitamin E in them and they have like a white cap on top. Oh, you're more perceptive than I am. This is genius. This is the best thing I've seen all year. Yeah, I like that. So we can go through these questions, which were, some of them are really solid. We can talk, why don't we talk about an article and then we'll kind of intermix questions into it. Uh…

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Can you see? There should be more recent ones. Like, when did you load this up? Or is this a screenshot? These are… It has all the new ones. Like, July 14th was some of the new ones. Let's see. Uh…

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No, no, no, no, no. Let's see. What about these? I just posted three today and I don't see them. Oh, there we go. Yeah, the last three. They're at the very bottom. Oh, I got it. The hormonal blood control puts women in chronic stress by blocking progesterone synthesis. I think it's a great one because Ray has been saying for a long time, they were saying, they were asking, okay, so why do people, why do women who take like estrogenic, uh,

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hormonal therapy, why are they always wired and agitated and aggressive and whatnot? And he said, well, because it kind of irritates their adrenals and prevents the negative feedback response, which cortisol has with ACTH. That's exactly what this study found.

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And the good thing is I think the, well, it kind of exposes several lies or myths, depending on how you want to look at it. Number one, because it looked at women who were taking both estrogen only and estrogen with synthetic progestins, right? But no women who were taken by identical progesterone. So basically it kind of vindicates progesterone. Or at least did not find that progesterone causes any of this. It was all synthetic progestins by themselves, estrogen by itself, or a combination.

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So number one. Number two, it kind of suggests that the synthetic progestins, which we've known for a while, they're really not that good. And this whole talk about them being just like progesterone but better, which was an actual marketing line for one of the first synthetic progestins, it's a lie. And we know now they're estrogenic. We know they activate the cortisol receptor. But now we know that they actually turn off the negative feedback relationship that cortisol has with ACTH. And in this specific case, they found out that

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Whenever women are, I mean, they dealt with women, but I think it applies to men as well. Whenever you're out in the world, basically, you have a release of ACTH and basically a spike of cortisol in order to deal with the stresses of life. And then basically after that, in a normal person, after you find a way or time to relax, then ACTH is supposed to come down because the hypothalamus is saying, okay, no longer stress, I'm going to lower CRH. Then this means lower ACTH and ultimately lower cortisol.

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And they found out that when they put these women into a relaxing situation, talking with their friends about pleasant topics, the women were not taking any contraceptives. Actually, their ACTH levels went down and their cortisol levels went down the way they're supposed to be. Not so for the women taking the hormonal contraceptives. In fact, I think if you look at the ACTH levels in the study, I think actually they went up. So these women are basically in a state of constant fight or flight.

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Not very severe, right? But probably to the point where they're gonna feel restless and they're gonna have problems sleeping, problems relaxing. They're gonna snap at their partners and the children and the friends and the family members. So pretty much what everything that we've been discussing with Ray. So estrogen has a very intimate relationship with the adrenals. And since estrogen…

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estrogen or the synthetic progestin, since the birth control pills prevent ACTH from going down, ACTH is actually now implicated in things like PCOS and acne. So now you directly have

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kind of like a, well, a one-step proof that estrogen and or synthetic progestins are actually the cause of acne. Something that Ray's been saying for years, but then the mainstream version is like, no, androgen is what's causing the acne. And Ray's response is, well, yes, but by act,

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by irritating the adrenals and preventing them from calming down. And then they release a lot of like pregnenolone and DHEA while the person is young. And then peripherally, the DHEA in women gets converted to androgens. And of course, you're going to have acne. But the real culprit here is estrogen.

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And there are studies that demonstrate that estrogen can cause PCOS, that estrogen can cause acne. But like I said, for whatever reason, we don't have a champion of the estrogen equals evil idea yet. We do have for the vaccines, and we do have for the carrot salad. We do have for a lot of these Petarian ideas.

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but not so for estrogen. I think it's a great study. Oh, the other thing is that if you go to– whenever a woman goes to the doctor and gets convinced to go on birth control, it doesn't have to be pills. It could be a patch. It could be like an intrauterine device, even injection. Sometimes they inject them just like the bodybuilders. They inject them with long-acting estrogenic esters and progestogenic synthetic esters.

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But basically, often women will say, “Okay, is this going to change my mood? I don't want to become a bitch,” basically. And the doctor's like, “No, this is actually going to normalize your mood. Everything will be fine. You're going to have a great mood.” Well, chronically elevated ACTH, which means chronically elevated cortisol, is now accepted even by mainstream psychiatry to be a causative factor in things like clinical depression, psychosis.

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not to mention obesity, diabetes, Alzheimer's disease, cardiovascular disease. So all of these things now, people say, well, come on, you're stretching the message here. No, I'm not because women are taking these drugs for decades. Okay. So, and the, the, the, the effect,

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while not small, was actually above moderate. So if you have moderately high cortisol, or at least higher than normal, higher than baseline, and it never goes down, I don't think it's a stretch to say that after, let's say, 10 or 15 years, you're going to have a problem with your weight, with your mood, with your cardiovascular system. And that's exactly what we're seeing. It's not like I'm invading things out of thin air. The evidence, the

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The bad results are already there. The only question is, now the only wrangling is that medicine has been trying to do is saying, well, we don't know what's causing it. You know, like, okay, yes, the rates are rising, but we don't know what's causing. Well, how about burkentropils, one of the most widely used drugs on the planet?

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chronically. Yeah, it's so one of the reasons it's so dangerous is it activates so many different layers of the stress system. So I just pulled up, I'm sure you've seen it. There was a paper by a guy named Ditkoff, and he basically says the exact same thing that estrogen directly antagonizes the adrenals. And then it also directly antagonizes the pituitary, like increasing nitric oxide would like reinforce the stress response.

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It turns off the various negative feedback mechanisms you have for a lot of your stress responses. What is serotonin? Estrogen also activates TPH. I think it erases PTH as well. So parathyroid hormone. So it's really like all of the entire cascade gets activated. But I think the really good message here is that people are saying that, authors of studies are saying, we think that the way estrogen is doing all of these things is by suppressing the synthesis of endogenous progesterone. And more importantly, progesterone,

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mostly through one of its major metabolites, allopregnanolone, is one of the major calming factors that we have in the organism.

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So, you know, so considering the fact that people, the women in menopause are known to basically have all of these symptoms that women taking birth control pills are having. And if those symptoms in this study are basically caused by low estrogen, by low progesterone, well, then why not the same thing to be true in menopause? You know, even if they're not taking any pills, they have the exact same behavior, exact same symptoms.

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disease profiles. These women cannot relax. They cannot sleep. They're always angry. So I think it's pretty strong evidence that estrogen and the synthetic progestin should not be used on a regular basis. I'm sure there aren't many women watching this that are using birth control anymore or anything. If somebody had stopped, how would you…

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You can use bioidentical progesterone. I mean, I think that's a valid birth control. Didn't Ray say like 100 milligrams vaginally, like about an hour or two before intercourse is enough? Not for contraception, but how would you recover from the contraceptive pill, like get the health back?

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Oh, I mean, I will do the test, the blood test, see to what degree the pituitary and the adrenals are dysregulated. Pregnenolone is great for regulating, for like restoring the adrenal health. So is progesterone. I would just, I would probably try pregnenolone first just because it seems to be milder in a sense. Like if that works, it's probably also like, I don't want to say that, I mean, progesterone is not dangerous, but progesterone can affect bleeding and like in clotting. While I think pregnenolone does not have many of those effects.

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So if pregnenol works for you and puts you at ease and restores your hypothalamic pituitary, adrenal, and or gonadal axis, I think that's probably the first thing to try. But because the long-term use of estrogen and progestins has been shown to also raise TSH, if you're in that situation and basically you now are hypothyroid because of these things, you may have to consider taking thyroid too. Got it, got it. Okay, I'm going to hit you with a question here.

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And guys, I just picked the most hearted questions. So this one's from Josh. He says, “The difference between DHT and testosterone on physiology.” - I think they're about the same in terms of anabolic effects, depending on the species that you look at. However, because DHT is a much stronger androgen. So in other words, they're equally anti-catabolic. Let me put it this way. They have the same affinity for the glucocorticoid receptor. Both of them are strong antagonists there.

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However, testosterone can aromatize while DHT cannot. In addition, one of the metabolites of DHT, which is known as 3-alpha-androstenediol, is a very potent GABA agonist, just like allopregnanolone is for progesterone. In fact, it's the exact same parallel pathways, just that it's derived from testosterone is being… If you think of testosterone as progesterone, DHT will be the equivalent of allopregnanolone. And basically, one of the DHT metabolites is actually a very strong GABA agonist. So is DHT itself, just not very strong. Mm-hmm.

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Usually, the saturated steroids with a saturated A-ring, and especially with a hydroxyl group at position 3, such as allopregnanolone, are very strong GABA agonists. But a saturated A-ring with a ketone on position 3, still a GABA agonist, just not as strong. But endrostenediol is actually a 3-hydroxy, 5-alpha, fully saturated endrostened steroid. So it has a very calming and pro-cognitive effect.

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There are several studies showing that basically the chronic anxiety and cognitive function that aging males are known to develop with aging, and also seen in animal models, seems to be from a decline in that specific metabolite. So the study, if I can remember, they administer both testosterone and DHT to these animals.

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aging animals. And the ones that got the DHT basically got improvement in mood. They had no more anxiety. It was antidepressant effect. Well, testosterone did have some effects, but they were much weaker, which is expected because he has to get metabolized through several steps in order to get to that calming neurosteroid, 3-alpha-understand dial. As far as everything else, I think testosterone is more suppressive.

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The fully reduced steroids are known to be not as suppressive at the pituitary level. There is an oral DHT derivative known as Proviron. And in fact, it's used kind of like off-label by many non-competitive bodybuilders at very high oral dosages because it's

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It's non-suppressive. So they can get the anabolic effects without kind of messing up with their, you know, with the pituitary system, pituitary gonadal axis. And a lot of people prefer that. Let's see, what else? Was that one of the ones that could damage the liver, the DHT analog one?

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I think the only ones that have been shown to damage the liver, the ones that are 17 alpha alkylated. Master or whatever that one is. No, no, no, no master. So let's see.

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oxandrolone, which is a DHT derivative, but it has a 17 alpha methyl group. It's orally bioavailable. That's why they add the group, the 17 alpha methyl or ethyl group, or even longer chains are added there in order to– they claim it's because it prevents the liver from breaking down the steroid too quickly. I think if you look at the structural relationship and the structural QSAR, quantitative structure relationship,

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The 17 alpha position is actually what allows even an androgenic steroid to bind to the estrogen receptor. So all of the steroids that are 17 alpha alkylated tend to have hepatotoxic effects. Conversely, if that group is removed, if there's nothing on 17 alpha, it's just 17 beta hydroxy, then the steroid is fine. Even the synthetic ones like Tremblone. So however, there is a version of Tremblone, which was actually developed back in the 60s as a treatment for female breast cancer. So it's

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The exact same steroid is Trembo, but it has an additional methyl group in position 17 alpha. The steroid is known as methyl trianolone, or also R1881, heavily used and abused by athletes, but of course, you know, the water now tests for it. However, just that one addition makes it extremely hepatotoxic, and that's the reason why it wasn't pursued further for clinical development, even though the results were remarkable.

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And then basically because they saw that a methyl trianiline R1881 wouldn't become clinically viable, I think that's when they switched and tried to modify the hydrotestosterone. That's how they came up with provirone, which is 2-alpha-methyl-3-alpha.

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dihydrotestosterone. And then finally drostanolone, which is one alpha-methyl dihydrotestosterone. And that one, actually drostanolone, was approved by the FDA for breast cancer treatment in women and retains that approval. But no doctor that I've talked to knows about this theory and the fact that it's useful. But it's not hepatotoxic, even though it has methyl groups. Got it.

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And just because you just reminded me of it, are you still working on that steroid that you had mentioned like multiple shows ago about? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. The group in Bulgaria is still fighting. I look at a lot of people expressed interest, but I have to tell you, it's like it does meet the, it falls under several laws in the United States that basically make it illegal.

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So, even though it doesn't exist yet, I mean, it's been reported, it has no cast number, but if and when we synthesize it, I don't think it will be something that can be freely distributed. I may be able to send some samples to doctors or people who have DEA license. In other words, they're authorized to handle and use such a steroid, but I don't think it's something that can be made for general use. This is done more for…

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Just to prove the point that powerful anti-estrogenic and anti-cortisol steroids, which this steroid will be, with almost no androgenic effect, which is another good thing because it will be able to work on both sexes, can treat a lot of cancers. I mean, we wanted to try it for a number of different, you know, cancers, including ones that are considered non-steroid sensitive, such as triple negative breast cancer or my, you know, my favorite castration-resistant prostate cancer. The one that actually responds to testosterone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think you just made like 75% of repeat Twitter very sad saying that. If you're outside of the United States, we'll see. We may be able to work with it. But it depends how easily that steroid will be synthesized. It depends on the yield.

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It depends on what concentrations will be needed to produce an effect. If it is as potent as the studies say, and this means one could get effects from micrograms daily, then I may be able to help somebody out. Not in the United States, though, but in the U.S.

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You have to be outside of this. If you're in the U S you need to go through a doctor or if you're a doctor and you can prove to me, they have a DA license that we can talk about. Got it. And just before we jump off this topic, like I feel like I talked to every somebody every month that is like wildly overdosing on these things. Like they're taking 20 or 30 milligrams of testosterone or, um,

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many milligrams of DHT. Like, first of all, if your androgens are low, you're probably hypothyroid. And in addition, if you know what you're doing and you want to experiment with these things, like what is a, not that you would tell anybody how much to take, but what would be in the realm of safety dose of these types of things?

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So there is an oral version of testosterone called 17-alpha methyl testosterone, and it was developed in the 60s as an oral therapy. It's sold in tablets of 25 milligrams each. The reason it's sold in these tablets is because they found out that more than that, they can oral it. Basically, at that point, no matter how big and muscular, not person, but how massive the person is,

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they don't get a further increase in anabolic effect beyond this dosage. So even for a very bulky, massive person, taking 25 milligrams orally of 17-alpha methylpipine, which, by the way, probably no more than 40% to 50% will get properly absorbed. And even then, we'll have a very short half-life.

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life. Beyond that, basically, you're not getting much benefit. But there is a potential for aromatizing. And unfortunately, 17-alpha-methyl estradiol is an extremely potent and long-acting estrogen, which is even more hepatotoxic than regular estradiol.

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So physiological dose of testosterone, unless you're a bodybuilder, I don't think there's a need to take more than a dosage that would translate into more than 10 milligrams systemically by available data. And even that would be top. Now, somebody very old and very frail, I mean, if you look at the –

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The older studies in the 1960s, before they came up with Drostanil, they were testing testosterone on women with breast cancer. They were giving them 25 to 50 milligrams daily, but those were people with metastatic terminal breast cancer. So for those people, that's the dosage that was used. And if you're healthier, especially if you're a male, which means you should be producing some testosterone of your own, then I don't think that 25 is probably the absolute maximum that I would consider unless you're being a bodybuilder or very, very sick.

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But if you're very, very sick, then I think estrogen is something that needs to be carefully considered because in those people, it can easily aromatize. So something like progesterone or taking it with progesterone, you know, is probably a better idea than cranking up the testosterone dosage. Yeah. If the temperature and pulse are low and a person takes testosterone and takes

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They could feel manic after, and that would probably mean that it converted in estrogen. People tell me this all the time. It's like a thing on the internet for people to take androgens, and people tend to take way too much of it.

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Well, you know what? I mean, considering the heavily disrupted endocrine environment that we are, if we're surrounded by all these estrogens, endocrine disruptors that have estrogenic, anti-androgenic, and anti-thyroid effect, you know, some people may actually, you know, like, not

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feel the result unless they take a really high dose. But that's like, that would be a one-off thing for me. Got it. Almost like the progesterone therapy. You're taking very high dosage once to get estrogen outside of the cell, but after that, eventually you're going to have to normalize because for a number of reasons, one being that it

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Progesterone, just like testosterone, by the way, increases a lot of the cytochrome P450 machinery, which helps the liver excrete it. So in a sense, progesterone, testosterone, and other androgens are basically helping the body become better at excreting them. So if you're taking a high dose for a while, even for just a couple of days, let's say a week, and after a week, you're probably going to be getting no more than, I don't know, 20% to 30% of the effect of the original single high dose.

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Got it. I guess what I'm saying that occasionally I'm talking to somebody and they think like a testosterone is some type of panacea. They'll take it and then immediately fly off the handle.

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So, again, I'm not telling you. It's not a panacea. If you're endocrinologically messed up, I mean, testosterone wouldn't be my first choice. It would be DHT and thyroid, or like DHT and pregnenolone. That's what I'm trying to get at. Obviously, anybody can do whatever they want. I'm just saying that I think there's like a type of order to this stuff that is…

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makes these things less risky, you know? And so if a person has a 95 body temperature and they're jumping into testosterone, that could be some level of risk. So speaking of 95 temperature, and then we'll talk about ID Labs. I'm just going to jump to this one. Do you know who Brian Johnson is? No.

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No, he's like kind of the new Dave Asprey and I couldn't find a photo of him pretty easily but he he's like somebody that said they spelt spent like millions of dollars on their health and he's like this Very far along biohacker and I think in one of his videos he said he he had a 95 degree body temperature So what is your take on that Georgie? What does that mean when somebody has how is he even not not hibernating with this temperature?

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No, seriously. I remember when I was feeling really sick, like 2011, 2012 timeframe, went to the doctor and the doctor checked and my temperature was 95. Even my primary care physician got spooked. So if something's going on, like I need to check your pituitary, let's send you for an MRI. My prolactin was very high. So that's when I got sent for it. But the doctor was worried. And I said, why? He's like, 95 is not good. Why is it not good? It means your metabolic rate is not working.

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These pictures are very suspect. Okay. We'll just move on here. Where did you find… No, Danny, go back to those pictures. I think they're pretty revealing what a temperature of 95 degrees would cause. I mean, it's… I mean, I've watched some of his videos. He has lots of…

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Like health, so for example, this photo is, this is his dad, this is his son, and this is him. And they swapped blood. So he took the blood from his son, who seems not well, and then he took it and then he gave his blood to his dad. So we know from kind of writing stuff. Yeah, the parabolic also stands, sure, yeah. But, you know, like I wouldn't, I don't think he's the healthiest. If anything, I don't want to sound like a vampire. They should be probably bleeding a young kid and like both of them taking their blood. Yeah.

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Again, he's just I would suspect similar to maybe Leverking that he has like a marketing team and he like did you on the repeat forum like there were like at least one big threat about him. You probably just scan through it, but it seemed like he had a media blitz of people talking about him. Like, what do you think of Brian Johnson's epigenetic blueprint? Does that ring a bell at all?

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I've seen a mention on Twitter, but frankly, I don't understand why these people are popular and why people are actually following them. I mean, what are these shirtless pictures supposed to show? I had a podcast just two days ago, and we talked about how basically weight is actually one of the least reliable predictors of health. Hand grip strength. Hmm.

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Cortisol to DHA ratio, progesterone levels, thyroid, T3 levels in the blood. All of these are now, even according to allopathic medicine, much better predictors of your long-term health and long-term chances of dying than basically what your weight is. Well,

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All I've seen so far from all of these influencers online is usually basically they want to show off their six pack and basically like, you know, how young they look for their age. But in reality, most of these people have had plastic surgery and all of these pictures look to me professionally touched.

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I was talking to somebody about this exact thing, and I said that I would look for how a person talked, and I thought that would be revealing of their level of health. And so that's like really important to me. And I think that you can infer a lot from how a person talks and talks to other people and things like that. What do you think? Danny, in the wilderness where you live and you're about to become a warlord, it's hand grip strength all the way. Got it all in a tree swing. Have you got to be able to crush your enemies? Yeah.

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Well, I just got more cameras today, so that's always thinking about security. Okay, why don't we talk about Idea Labs? What is new in your world? I sent you the study, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The tumor, right? I was just kind of too stupid to figure out what… The tumor shrunk, right?

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Yes. So if you remember, like about a year ago, I was doing the same experiment with the exact same tumor, but it was only vitamin B1 and B3. So the tumor growth stopped, but didn't shrink. Now we actually have almost complete regression. So it would have been nice if we can somehow open the spreadsheet and show people the screenshot or at least the curves. I'd have to get into my email and that would take a long time.

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Anyways, so we have tumor regression. And the difference is that this time I added biotin. And the reason I added biotin is the several very, very promising human studies for multiple sclerosis, Huntington disease and whatnot. And, you know, I know somebody asked Ray like, hey, biotin seems to be getting a lot of good publicity. What do you think about it? He's like, oh, I've always thought it's very, it has great potential. But I saw one study in the 60s that basically it could cause liver tumors since then I've been very cautious with it.

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But now there are several human clinical trials with really severe diseases, and biotin is very promising and has not produced any side effects. So I added that. And this three combo, vitamin B1, B3, and B7, B7 being biotin, actually started causing tumor regression, quite drastically so. So the animals are still alive. The control group is already dead.

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and we're going to continue and see what happens. Is this going to stay this way? Can we cause complete regression of the tumor in at least one animal? If we do, then I think…

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the narrative about cancer being genetic disease is done, is finished. Because it's a human tumor, it's transplanted on a mouse. And the only two options are basically either the mouse somehow incorporates the tumor into its own tissue, just like the salamanders that Ray talked about, or this combination of these vitamins basically acidifies the cancer cell, and if the cell is abnormal enough, it commits apoptosis.

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Either way, none of these therapies are cytotoxic. That's really the key here. We're not killing the tumor, yet it keeps shrinking. So something's going on. And if that works, then I'm gonna try a few other animal models and then becomes, but with the same tumor, same human xenografted tumor.

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So if the same effect is seen in several different animal models, such as mice, rats, rabbits, and I don't know, maybe we can try with monkeys, then it becomes very hard to argue that the effect that I was getting from this one model is species specific. It looks like it's basically, it's truly acting on the tumor and not on the host. Got it. How do you exclude the effects of the chow? Like what chow do you use when you're adding in these vitamins?

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Oh, I mean, they're administered by, it's called intragastric gavage. So basically, they insert like a little syringe in this, make sure that all the liquid goes into the mouth of the animal. But both groups are on the exact same diet. So the difference in tumor growth must be due to the intervention. Got it, got it, got it.

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- That's amazing, and you mentioned it already, but what was the cocktail of? It was biotin and what? - Yeah, so the human equivalent doses of about 15 milligrams per kilogram body weight thiamine, and it's the regular hydrochloride version, just a very cheap one.

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and then the equivalent of 30 milligrams per human equivalent, 30 milligrams per kilogram of body weight niacinamide, and then the equivalent of two milligrams per kilogram of body weight of biotin. So for a person that weighs 100 kilos, that will be a gram and a half thiamine, three grams niacinamide, and 200 milligrams biotin. And the biotin studies with humans usually use 300 or more. So if we're not getting, we're getting a very good response so far, but if we don't

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complete cure, the next step would be to optobiotic dosage. I've already played around with the thiamine and niacinamide, and this seems to be, I mean, I've administered a lot more thiamine, a lot more niacinamide, a lot more of both. This dose seems to be optimal, this combination of the two. So now we're down to playing with the third one. Those are such exotic substances though, Georgie. They couldn't possibly do anything to cancer. Yeah.

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You are treating, how dare you treat cancer with vitamins? You know what? If we actually try to publish this, I think the journals will probably laugh a few times before they take it seriously.

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They'll say like, is this fabrication? Why don't you guys just admit it? You went out last night, you got wasted and you came up with this idea to mess with us. I think I have told this story before, but I was at a wedding one time and this guy was like, well, what would you do for cancer? And I was like, well, it's shocking, but aspirin has actually been studied for all different types of cancer. And anyways, I was shocked.

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my friend and this guy I was talking to that was there and I got up and my friend later was like, Danny, when you got up, blah, blah, blah, said now that he, now he knows you were full of shit. You talked about the aspirin. What kind of color are your eyes? Brown? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're full of shit. Yeah.

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Bulgarian wizard. He's here all night. Okay. Let's get. Yeah. Whenever somebody does me a full shit, I say, of course I got brown eyes. What are you talking about? Got it. Okay. Let's get back to some of these. Cause we really appreciate the people that watch this show. So let's get the, okay. Our buddies and analyze and optimize Dalton and what's the other dude's name? This is so embarrassing.

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Somebody in the chat said that, I guess. But appreciate them. Okay, I'd love to hear more about the association induction hypothesis and Ling Pollock generally, especially as it pertains to the steroids effect on water structure. I don't think I've ever seen any studies on that, despite Georgie and Ray mentioning it routinely. I have to be missing something.

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I don't think the steroids have direct effect on the water structure. They have an effect by improving the metabolic rate because ultimately it's the flow of electrons that has effect on the structure of water, just as Pollock showed. As far as the link hypothesis, I mean, the way I understood it is that the water in the cell is in a different state, so to speak.

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You have bulk water, which is outside, but water near surfaces, and especially when bound to proteins together with potassium, it becomes structured water. So it can be viewed more appropriately as a gel. And speaking of which, I don't know if you remember back in like, I think it was 2015 or 2016, I posted a study on the forum by

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by a group at Harvard, which has been apparently saying this for years. They completely plagiarized from Blaine, but they never mentioned his name. And they kept saying that, you know, our model of the cell is wrong. It's not a bag of water. The way you can look at it is basically is like a, you know, a cube…

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Or like a sphere, semi-sphere that's made up of gelatin, but it also has some fats inside, basically. And it's structured in such a way that basically you have fats that are bound to choline. So they're phospholipids. And basically it's the hydrophilic, I'm sorry, it's the lipophilic site that I think is facing outwards and the hydrophilic is facing inwards.

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So it's basically like a multi-layer sphere of gel. But ultimately, it is gel because it's structured. And you cannot easily get the water out unless you destroy the electrical structure. I'm sorry, the flow of electrons. As soon as the cell dies, that's when it usually turns into a bag of water. And that's when it ruptures and spills literally and trails into the surrounding medium.

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Before that, while electrons are flowing, then you basically have a gel, gelatin. And you can kind of prove that when you're taking, like you can take a handful of ground meat and squeeze it really hard, you're not going to be able to get some drops out. But, you know, if you let that ground beef stay for a while until all the cells are sufficiently dead, you actually start seeing a puddle of water form into the ground beef.

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And that's usually an indication that a lot, or at least some of the cells have died and have released, lost their structure, they've released their water into the surrounding medium.

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So again, the association of the compulsive, my understanding is that it's the under, the potassium binds to cellular proteins and creates this sort of surface-like effect, which to which layers of water absorb, and ultimately that creates the structure water in the cell. Similar effect is the easy water, which Paul has been seeing, and he has very good pictures of basically surface. And then basically like, I think he said there's layers up to like 20 or 30 molecules thick

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And the water, like these layers of water are structured. They have different electrical properties from the surrounding bulk water. And you can prove that by doing various experiments with electrodes. The exact same thing is going in the cell. But in the cell, the surface is actually the combination of proteins bound to potassium, which attract the water to themselves and create these structures of layered water. Got it.

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Jack is the other dude in Analyze and Optimize. Okay, so I caught like 20% of what you said, but there's like proteins in the cell and there's the structured ordered water being attached to the- But potassium is key. So it's an intracellular element and that's why the cell has such a high affinity for potassium because it's really what's keeping the cell structured. Proteins themselves are not enough. You need proteins and metal, and this metal specific in this case is potassium.

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And I think somebody kind of like sort of recently proved that by showing, by sprinkling like hot water. Was it water on extremely hot rocks? Oh, that was Sydney Fox. And basically got some of the very basic amino acids to form. Sydney Fox. Yes. What…

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But the shell or whatever of potassium and magnesium is smaller than calcium and sodium. So it's naturally excluded more outside the cell because of why like it just…

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It can get through the structured water and attach to the protein more easily? Yes, magnesium and potassium can, but sodium and calcium cannot unless the cell is sick, in which case it accumulates both, actually exchanges both. And that's why in a sick cell, you have very high interest level sodium and calcium, but low potassium and magnesium. And without those two, you don't get the structure. And then the steroids are creating like electrical conformations, changing the-

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I honestly think that because they're not charged molecules, the steroids effects, most of the steroid effects, number one, they increase the life of elicited in the cell. So you're going to have less bulk water come in. Number two, a lot of the steroids are pro-metabolic. They're going to improve the metabolic rate. And it's this flow of electrons dragging certain molecules with it, such as calcium being drawn out of the cell by the leaving carbon dioxide, right? Several of these effects, I think also…

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Whenever you have a very oxidized cell, it also releases…

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A lot of these, a lot of some of the other metals, I think iron as well. Yeah, so intracellular iron accumulation depends on the polarization of the cell. The less polarized the cell, which means the less intense the metabolic rate is, the more intracellular iron you accumulate. And these are just kind of like physical effects. They're not, they don't have anything to do with necessarily this association deduction hypothesis, just that the active, the

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The intense metabolic rate is what keeps the cell healthy and structured. But in order to maintain the structure, at the basis of that, you need the presence of potassium and several of these amino acids. Glycine is actually a very good cosmo-trope as well. It maintains the structure of the cell as well. Purely through its physical properties, nothing– it is a GABA agonist. It is an estrogenic antagonist. I think it opposes serotonin as well. But I think all of these are secondary downstream of its physical properties.

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which make it act like, you know, turn the water into a gel. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. So we're at about an hour now. Guys, thank you so much. Really appreciate you guys. This is a lot more stimulating than just doing them with Georgina because I was extremely lazy. But let's talk about, is this the,

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: I like the one where that, yeah, this one is very good. : Got it, got it. Let's do it. : So you saw the articles that the certain artificial dyes, artificial flavors like silicon dioxide, talc, titanium dioxide, all of these things can cause inflammatory bowel disease, right? Of course, medicine denies it, but there's a very good mechanical reason why they can, because they damage directly the structure of the intestine. However, the usage of these

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you know, materials, no matter how ubiquitous they are, it's not sufficient to explain the rates of IBD that we see. However, if you look at, this means there must be something else in the environment. As much as medicine wants to convince you this is genetic, it's not. And now it's being admitted that it's not genetic. IBD rates are skyrocketing, especially in the younger people, just like cancer, especially colon cancer. So something else is going on. And I've always suspected that it has something to do with PUFA.

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I was never able to find a study that directly said that, but now we do have one. And it basically says something that basically kind of unifies a lot of the effects of PUFA that we've known, that we've known about, and that all of these directly cause inflammatory bowel disease. Number one,

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It's not even the peroxidation of PUFA. So in other words, if people say, well, PUFA is only dangerous when it peroxidizes, you know, when it's intact, it's actually very good for you and you need it. No, actually just the metabolism for COX and LOX is sufficient to cause an inflammatory reaction, as they say here. In addition, PUFA is shown to compromise the gut barrier.

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And finally, the presence of PUFA changes your microbiome towards much more pathological species. Not that there are any ones that are really good, but you can certainly shift towards more pathological species. And in this case, they found out that the mice that were fed a high PUFA– not high PUFA, regular PUFA diet, which mimicking what people are eating– and I'll actually stop right there, because it says how much Americans are consuming.

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So if you're eating 8% to 10% of your daily calories as limelight, which is what most Americans are, that is sufficient to cause inflammatory bowel disease over the long run. That's exactly the diet that they mimicked and gave to the animals. And as they're saying, yes, PUFA is essential. However,

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Even the study says you don't need more than 1% to 2% of linoleic acid daily. Even that's huge. But 8% to 10%, you can imagine how much we're overeating this highly inflammatory procarcinogenic fat. And that alone is probably enough to explain a lot of the IBDs and ulcerative bowel syndrome

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and the gastrointestinal cancers that we've been seeing lately, especially colon cancer, liver cancer, the rates of which are skyrocketing in the young. And the explanation usually is, well, it's because they drink a lot of alcohol, eat a lot of processed foods. But I'm thinking, no, actually the millennials and the Gen Zs are pretty health conscious. They exercise a lot. Actually, they're the lightest of all previous generations

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going all the way up to the Second World War because the generations before that were actually less obese and were much healthier. But in terms of exercise and living healthily according to the modern definitions, millennials and Gen Zs are way up there, yet they're the sickest.

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So something is going on in their environment that must be causing this, and it's not alcohol. They're more into drugs. They're not so much into alcohol. And this study says, if you scroll all the way down, it will say the takeaway message is do not eat PUFA. It will actually give you right there, the one in the red. Bottom line is the

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The current study is that a soybean oil-enriched diet similar to the current American diet causes oxygen levels to increase in the gut, which is consistent with IBD in humans. And if it keeps scrolling all the way down to the bottom, it says, make sure you're not consuming excessive flannelacus. I will drop the excessive.

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My takeaway is just don't consume linoleic acid. Even in its pristine, unadulterated, unperoxidized form, this thing is cancer, literally. It may take you through IBD first, but eventually you will get to cancer. Damn.

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That, so if a person arbitrarily ate 2000 calories a day, so 10% of that is 200. If you divide that by nine, it's 22 grams of fat as PUFA. As linoleic acid, specifically linoleic acid. Can you imagine? And by the way, they're not counting linoleic acid.

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They're not counting the omega-3s. They're not counting all the others that are out there. So people are really killing themselves with the diet that we have. And unfortunately, as they're explaining there, it's very hard to avoid linoleic acid because it's everywhere. And even if you try to cook healthily at home, most people cook with oils that are seed oils, and they're very heavy on linoleic acid. Why? Well, because it's very good for frying. It has low smoke point, right? But it's kind of become like the standard thing.

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Olive oil is not really very good for frying. The taste of it is mostly good for salads. By the way, if you're eating salads, you're consuming quite a bit of linoleic acid. It's abundant in plants. It doesn't have to be seed oils. So if you're eating uncooked vegetables, they have a significant amount of linoleic acid in them. You know why? Because that is the natural plant toxin through which it tries to discourage idiotic pests like us eating it.

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And the only creatures that eat it are the ones who developed the defense mechanisms, such as the ruminant animals. And we're not ruminant animals. So would you say that salad is bullshit? What do you think? I was making fun of Paul Saladier. I can tell by the start of his Sweet Green, which was a few other classmates. Well, not classmates, but people, other alumni from Georgetown. They started it, and it was booming for a while. And I think it's basically at this point it's all but dead.

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It's a dietary fad. People eat it for a while, and then they find out – the good thing is they find out they're not getting the benefits, so eventually they just stop eating them except the most hardcore people. At this point, I think veganism – the only reason veganism is still a thing is because it's being pushed by the WEF and, like, in the UN Agenda 2030. 100%.

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100%. What, didn't we, did we talk about it or did Ray reference an article that just like the presence of arachidonic acid caused stress to cells? It didn't even have to be converted into prostaglandins or anything. It was just, and so I think I had Chris Masterjohn on the podcast a few times ago and I wish I had brought this up because I thought it like shifted a cell towards glycolysis just by being around, like nothing, didn't even have to do anything.

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But that's what happens with all unsaturated molecules, specifically the fats, basically. It's the degree of unsaturation which causes them to turn the cells affinity, to change the cells affinity for water. And once the cell starts uptaking water, the presence of bulk water itself, because it's not structured yet, that's sufficient to turn off oxidative phosphorylation. So you have to rely on glycosides. Mm-hmm.

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To accumulate water to divide. And that's like the physiological role. And when you divide, you don't need oxidative phosphorylation. In fact, it's turned off for that reason because you need those resources for other things. Got it. Okay. So these are really good questions. I was really happy with this. Okay. I don't know of other people to answer this, but the fate of Ray's books, newsletters, and website, that's all with Catherine. With Catherine and his relatives. No clue.

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I did ask a friend of his of the family recently what's going on.

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She told me that these things have not been forgotten. It's just that people that are around Ray are still grieving. And when they're ready, they're very much aware of the importance of Ray's legacy. So from what I heard indirectly is that things are already in progress in terms of digitizing whatever remains to be digitized. Because I think he was working on that for a while, right? I mean, we asked him like years ago when we first started interviewing, he said that

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you know, it's in the works, but he didn't really talk about progress and, you know, what in the works means. Yeah, I wonder what that actually meant. He seems not concerned about it. I mean, if you were like him and you were always working on new shit all the time, like, I doubt you would have some reverence towards

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your old work, you know? So I could understand why it wasn't so good. Yeah, but I mean, look, he kept selling his books. So, you know, and those books, some of them were written like, what, in the 80s or even 70s? 70s, yeah. I mean, Nutrition for a Woman, I think 1973.

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So I don't see what, I mean, and if they have been published, then basically it's still interest. I don't know. I guess it depends on how much he prioritized the different type of work he was doing. If the newsletter is the most important thing, then somebody else needs to be worrying about the books and the digitization. And I suspect that somebody was either Catherine or a family member that's dealing with computers. Yeah.

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Okay. Fire underscore bottle has good content on Sussanate and LAA. Is this alpha lipoic acid? I think it is. Yes, it is, yeah. Increasing metabolism. Could this be an option for someone who isn't responding well to T3? Has Hayden considered an ID Lab sup of Sussanate and ALA together? Maybe he can speak on cardenosine. Thanks.

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Cardinazine contains succinic acid. But here's the thing, the succinic acid can stimulate the function of the Krebs cycle. However, if you have blockage of the electron transport chain complex too, which is what happens if you have an excessive fatty acid oxidation, then you're going to have a buildup of succinic acid, and that's not a good thing.

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Buildup of succinic acid is known to activate the hypoxia-inducible factor alpha. So that's why in cardinose, and we have several things that are making sure that succinic acid will get metabolized. Ionosine is one such thing. It's been shown to stimulate complex 2.

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And there is an old Russian drug called cytoflavin, which is a combination of inosine, succinic acid, and vitamin B2, because the cofactor for complex II, one of the required cofactors, which is also known as succinic dehydrogenase, succinic dehydrogenase in the Krebs cycle. Complex II is part both of the electron transport chain and the Krebs cycle, where it is known as the succinic dehydrogenase. And the cofactor for that is FAD, which gets synthesized from riboflavin. So the old…

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Pro-metabolic drug in Russia, which to this day they use, and I think it's done as an injection, as an infusion, it's called Cytoflavin, and it's a combination of inosine, B2, and succinic acid. So the Russians did some experiments and found out that you shouldn't be administering succinic acid by itself.

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In healthy people, it stimulates metabolism, but in unhealthy ones, people that already have malfunctioning electron transport chain, usually because of either high nitric oxide, over oxidation of fatty acids, which drops the FAD to the FADH ratio. So it's going to basically create a block in complex two, or inflammation, which does all of these things.

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then you don't wanna be over supplying succinic acid. Something like, I think if it takes a succinic acid, I think it would be great to take with methylene blue because methylene blue can bypass the block of both complex one and two, if there is one. And recently I found a study showing that the vitamin K can bypass, specifically vitamin K3, which has a shorter aliphatic chain, but still an aftoquinone, can bypass the blockage at all four electron transport chain complexes.

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So if somebody has succinic acid at home and wants to try it out with some vitamin K, please share your feedback. I think it would be a viable approach to improving metabolism compared to taking either one of them on their own.

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I'm just going to throw this out there, but I have a lot of experience with R-lipoic acid and then alpha-lipoic acid because there was a guy named Andy Cutler who used to recommend ALA for chelation. And a long time ago, I had a test that said I was high in mercury and lead. And so I took small amounts very often to mobilize these metals on my body, which was a terrible mistake.

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And anyways, whenever I would take it, I would get really bad hypoglycemia and it'd make me really cold. And then the arlipoic acid would do it even worse. And- Yeah, it's a cofactor for pyruvate hydrogen. So I can see the rationale for taking it, but specifically, it's not going to do much for succinic acid metabolism. If you're taking succinic acid metabolism, it's like you're pouring gas directly into the Krebs cycle, but there needs to be a spark to metabolize it.

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And if you don't have the spark, which in the case that I mentioned is quinone, vitamin B2, or inosine, then you can be creating some serious problems. Succinic acid can be very inflammatory when it starts to build up. A few studies just came out showing it's implicated in cancer and several of the autoimmune conditions. It's not only seen to build up, which is expected because in a chronic state—

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chronic disease, you're going to have decline in metabolism. But it's like lactic acid. It's like lactate. Lactate being an onco metabolite, succinic acid seems to be an onco metabolite, or just not as bad as lactic acid. Got it. And I could talk about this at length, but some…

01:00:03

Some like everybody this year, almost, I would say like 90 percent of people that did not respond well to T3 or or or rather had no response. Like they took thyroid and they just didn't notice anything from it seemed to have ridiculously slow bowel function. And so, again, I know hypothyroidism that will cause constipation, but it seems like a lot of people I've been talking to needed to do something extra, like needed to take something like cascara or something to get their bowels moving.

01:00:30

- Well, I mean, if you're consuming PUFO, if that causes bowel inflammation, that can explain it. And I think most people would readily admit that they're probably not consuming less than 10 grams of PUFO daily or like 200 grams, which is what that study mimicked to show that you can cause inflammatory bowel disease with that. Which means a lot less is probably going to be enough to inflame it enough to basically cause a bowel function without throwing into a full inflammatory bowel disease.

01:00:55

I would just say there's always been something that I've talked to somebody who wasn't responding to thyroid. I think trying another brand or kind of evaluating your health status. Like if a person's having one bowel movement every other day, like that just alleviating that could possibly like restore sensitivity to a thyroid hormone, but just…

01:01:15

throwing that out there. Okay, let's, we don't have to go for too much longer. Let's talk about this low mitochondrial function. You tell me, which is the other one you want to talk about? I think that's fine. I mean, basically, I like the low mitochondrial function because it's kind of, it immediately ties metabolic rate to something that was thought

01:01:32

not to depend on the metabolic rate to start with. : I'm sorry, is this one? : Yeah. So for infections, it's like COVID-19. So initially they said, “Oh, all the people that are obese or diabetic have much higher mortality.” But in the final, it's not just that group. In fact, they also confirmed the obesity paradox once again, that some very obese people were actually very resistant to COVID-19, or at least the hospitalization and death part of it. They still got it, but it was very mild in them.

01:01:57

Yet others who are very lean and exercised a lot, right? And the typical spitting image of health according to motor medicine, they succumb to it very easily. So doctors were baffled. They said, “It's probably genetic. Your resistance to COVID is genetic.” But this study says no.

01:02:12

Actually, your ability to produce antibodies depends almost entirely on mitochondrial function because the B cells, which convert into the cells that produce the antibodies, into plasma cells that can produce the antibodies, that conversion depends on oxidative phosphorylation. And they found out that in mice, when they induced mitochondrial dysfunction, these mice were much more susceptible to both viral and bacterial infections and had a very high lethality rate even when the infections were mild.

01:02:41

So basically, it's the metabolic rate really that determines your resistance to even infectious disease, which is something that the RAID has been saying for a long time. They asked him, like, well, why do you prefer worrying about metabolism instead of vaccines and whatnot? Didn't he say a couple of times, they said, like, well, what about this vaccine? It seems to be pretty safe. And he said, well, thyroid and progesterone could probably do the exact same thing, but with less risks. Nick Fuentes, transgender vaccine, COVID-19.

01:03:10

What else can we talk about? I'm just joking. Yeah, man. I mean, in Hypothyroidism, the Unsuspected Illness, he says a chronic infection is the story of a low thyroid person's life. And so, dude, when I was little, I used to have

01:03:24

chronic ear infections that I'd always take amoxicillin for and no, no, not amoxicillin, I think erythromycin, but yeah, I talk to people all the time that- Zipac, azithromycin is what they usually give for ear infections. In the 80s, is that, azithromycin is relatively new, right?

01:03:43

Yeah, it's one of the macrolides. But like now if you have, because I had key infections when I was feeling, here's another confirmation. When I was feeling the crappiest, I had multiple ear infections and I got the Z-Pak, which is like six pills of, I think 500 milligrams each of azithromycin. Mm-hmm.

01:03:58

Does it contain like a stomach acid reducer as well, like a proton pump? Maybe the newer versions, but at the time I got Z-Pak and a Medrel Pak, which is like an oral steroid, glucocorticoid to reduce deformation. So this was in Bulgaria where they're not trying to kill you. No, here. Very much here. Got it. No, in Bulgaria they say go and get wasted. All these infections don't matter. Yeah.

01:04:21

Got it. Got it. Okay. Let's Western propaganda. Let's end on these. We'll find one in a more serious one. Ray once said how caffeine can influence luck. What are your guys' thoughts on that?

01:04:34

I haven't read about this. What do you have a thought? Oh, somebody asked him, like, you know, have you noticed that, you know, no, said when I take vitamin B1, if I remember correctly, I feel like I'm in tune with the universe and I can almost anticipate events that are about to happen. And I feel very in tune with it. And Ray responded with one line saying coffee slash caffeine can do it, too.

01:04:57

So I don't think there's anything special to these substances. I think it's the fact that they improve the metabolic rate. Ultimately, consciousness and the world around us are electronic. So consciousness is a resonant structure whose ability to resonate with the shapes and the fields that are around us depends on the intensity of the metabolic rate. I guess the way I can, you know, the analogy that I would give is that if the brain is the sponge, consciousness is the water.

01:05:25

But basically, when you don't have enough sufficiently high metabolic rate, the sponge gets dry and kind of like it doesn't contain enough water. So it's increasing the metabolic rate to B1, caffeine, and thyroid. I've noticed the same thing. I've noticed a lot of synchronicities, not so much – what did I say? I can see –

01:05:45

One said that caffeine can influence luck. Yeah, there's no luck. Luck is simply an example of synchronicity. It's things that you wanted to happen that actually happened, right? But you thought that they shouldn't. That's another example of synchronicity. It means you've already thought about this, and then this thing happened. Yeah.

01:06:01

And the guy, Cameron, which I think I sent you the book on him, he thought the same thing. He actually found out the same thing. He was drinking a lot of coffee. He actually noticed a lot more synchronicities, and he started recording, like, people, what kind of umbrellas they're wearing, what kind of hats, you know, like, basically, like, if they're walking a dog, you know, even what color eyes they have. And he said that whenever he was himself in poor mood or poor health,

01:06:26

all of these things kind of disappeared. And he thought like, he thought like almost like nature was taking revenge with him or telling him, not to go home and take care of himself because the whole thing was very annoying. And it's like a nature was telling him, listen, this is not going to be fun. Why don't you go home and take care of yourself and come back when you're feeling better. But whenever he was in a good mood, which invariably coincided with good health and a lot of coffee for him, he was much more able to see novelty and see the patterns in the novelty.

01:06:53

I don't think there's any mystery to it. I mean, when you're sick, isn't everything irritating? You can't even afford to notice one pattern, let alone a succession of patterns, and think about what does the universe want, and do I want this thing, and then try to monitor in your environment whether the thing that you want manifests or not. These are very exhausting things. Will, luck, all of these things, they depend on energy.

01:07:15

The easiest way to break somebody's will is to get them tired. The interrogators, the CIA interrogators know this very well. And that's why before these serious interrogations where they actually torture people, they do pull them through grueling things like, you know,

01:07:29

like freezing water, showers, very loud music, sleep deprivation, all of these things, basically just before they actually start getting into their mind, that's what they do to break the person and get them exhausted to the point where the person is, is not really able to put up any resistance. So it's all comes down to energy. CA knows this very well.

01:07:48

It's been in use for at least 100 years. I think in David F. Peet's Synchronicity book, he talks about, backs up exactly what you said, that synchronicity is something that when it happens, you know the exact context for it. Whereas there's serialility, where you say you see red all that day or something, and then you prescribe meaning to it. That is like way less synchronicity.

01:08:12

- Scyzophonics actually have that. They see reality, a lot of see reality. They start seeing patterns everywhere, but they're random, and they cannot form a coherent thought of why they think this pattern is there, why this one is there.

01:08:27

while the synchronicity is like you and I are now, let's say talking about coffee and basically like I go into the kitchen here into the office and I see like a brand new pot of coffee, even though it's, what is it? 10 53 at night. And there should be nobody in the office and no coffee made. If I go and see that, then that's synchronicity. Yeah. I scribe not prescribe. I have a crazy synchronicity story, but I'll tell it some other time. Um,

01:08:50

Yeah, man. Okay, let's talk to this Constantine question. What do you and Georgie think about all the press psychedelics are getting lately? It's almost eerie in a way. Is there an agenda in your opinion? LSD is sometimes mentioned by the majority of discussion is on mushrooms such as psilocybin or even things like ketamine or MDMA. What do you think?

01:09:10

I think I responded to him on Twitter. There's definitely an agenda. I mean, as you well know, Big Pharma is desperate for creating new drugs to the point where their latest Alzheimer's drug that got approved was so ineffective and, in fact, so dangerous that three of the board members of the FDA who are voting on the drug approval quit. FDA still approved it.

01:09:32

So imagine that. And if you remember that study that I posted on the forum that since 2001, 99 plus percent of the clinical trials for Alzheimer's have abysmally failed.

01:09:42

So if you're in that situation, are you going to reach for anything that can give you some sales and maybe repair some of the image? And that thing is actually psychedelics. Now, despite the fact that these are very hardcore controlled drugs in the United States and most of the Western countries, that doesn't mean that the government is not running tests with them. They know very well that MDMA can cure PTSD. They know very well that LSD and other psychedelics can.

01:10:07

can actually reduce recidivism. That's how the SSRI drugs came about. They were looking for something that will cause recidivism, but at the same time, obedience to hierarchy and authority. So the government knows these things very well. So the research is out there. And I think the pharma companies, because they've always been in bed with the government, but lately, I think through public-private partnerships, let's call it fascism, because that's what Mussolini called it.

01:10:33

are getting access to those studies that the government itself did, and they're probably classified for most other people. And now they're starting to run clinical trials with it and trying to get these things approved. So the price will skyrocket, and they're going to tighten up the enforcement against that even more.

01:10:49

So the agenda really is, I mean, they certainly want to show some progress in treating a disease. They're very well aware that the public is now wary, especially now with the vaccine fiasco. There we go. We're talking about vaccines.

01:11:02

And the pharma companies want to kind of probably repair the image, and they would kill, literally kill, for a drug that actually cures a condition, or at least puts it into significant remission, something very high profile, such as, I don't know, PTSD. 25% of the US military comes back with PTSD from war.

01:11:20

So that's huge, you know, and the government is willing to do everything that it can to help these people, at least on paper. So they're doing clinical trials with MDMA. Psilocybin, I think it's going to be harder because the psilocybin, it's one of many drugs

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psychoactive chemicals into the actual mushrooms. So they don't exactly know which one is the most effective one. So I wouldn't surprised if this thing remains fully banned, but they basically reintroduce LSD or one of the synthetic, like one of the more, what do you call designer derivatives

01:11:53

The LSD molecule that could a single extra bromine or hydroxyl group. They're already being sold online, they call them the gray market, but the government is aware of that. It's running clinical trials with some of these molecules. That's how actually the gray market learn about them from a study here and there.

01:12:10

And they will probably introduce LSD through some kind of a clinical trial for use, the psychedelic version of it. Because you already have non-psychedelic versions of LSD in the market. All of the ergo derivative drugs are basically decollusionized LSD.

01:12:28

the alizaride, bromocriptine, cabergoline, ergocriptine, nor– like norcristine, I think is another one. Yeah, there's– any of the ergo drug– metergoline, any of the ergo drugs that are being used as dopamine agonist slash serotonin antagonist, if you look at their pharmacological profile, the activity on the different serotonin and dopamine receptors, very, very similar. Sometimes you

01:12:50

actually identical to LSD, but without the hallucinogenicity. And I think the government wants the hallucinogenicity because it was shown that it was necessary for improving things such as death anxiety. So they want to improve it for people with terminal disease.

01:13:08

And it's been shown that while LSD does work for that, reducing fear and, you know, intrusive thoughts and, you know, or maybe these people even becoming violent before they die, the other ergo derivatives that weren't hallucinogenic did not have that effect.

01:13:21

while they still do have the anti-recidivism effect. Somehow I suspect that the government does not want less recidivism. So I don't think we'll see those drugs approved for wide usage. They'll be very tightly controlled and it will result in increasing price, which the drug dealers will love, but ultimately hurts the public.

01:13:39

Now you're going to be paying 10 times more for your, you know, weekly LSD fix just because Pfizer, for example, got an approval for, you know, for using LSD to treat, I don't know, PTSD or something like that. So you're more up to speed on this, but I remember hearing about this in like 2011. Like I think when I first got to San Francisco in 2012, like I went to some maps meeting and they were talking about it. So maybe it's like a carrot on a stick or something like that.

01:14:05

I, it's hard for me to believe they would release anything that was possibly good for people, you know?

01:14:11

Yeah, but in very controlled conditions. So once they release it like that, it automatically, once something becomes an approved drug, the entire market for it, because that much more expensive, because they expect it to increase demand, and because the vendor who is selling it is going to tighten up the supply. So I can guarantee you that the street price of that thing will increase as well. But there's a large drug company making LSD for sale?

01:14:39

Yeah, there is. I mean, like if you, yeah, if you, if you have Pfizer and you're running a large clinical trial with it, you apply for permission to the FDA and you give them permission. Uh, that's the thing. Not everybody can run these trials. Like unlike testosterone, testosterone doesn't require DEA permission, even though it's on the DEA list. Uh,

01:14:56

I think almost any doctor can prescribe testosterone and form a clinical trial. For the psychedelics, the Schedule 1 drugs, in other words, you do need an actual application to the FDA and have to specify the dosages. Who will give you this drug? Because officially there's no vendor of it, right? Right.

01:15:13

And that, because there is no vendor of it and there's no way to buy it legally, usually what happens is you apply for permission to synthesize it in-house. And yeah, I think Pfizer will become a supplier. I don't see a problem with that. Another thing is, since things will become

01:15:27

I mean, I expect them to become worse, right, economically and socially and whatnot. What was that Australian member of parliament who said, yeah, life is going to start sucking even more. So basically the only option is dragging yourself into oblivion. And what is it, porn? He said drugs and porn, right? For the plebs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:50

Yeah, I guess, again, I'm having a hard time with it because, like, I think the pharma industry is more concerned with, like, blockbuster drugs like Ozempic or whatever the fuck it's called. It will be a blockbuster drug. This thing will probably cure something or at least create such a robust effect that they will come out and say, see, there's been no treatment for PTSD. These people have a 50% suicide rate. And now, like, we've almost cured it.

01:16:13

And the Pfizer is great, right? Yeah, we've done some bad things. Okay, we've killed a few hundred million people, whatever it is, but that's okay. Don't have a chip on your shoulder. We're doing good things now. Largest criminal find in history, Pfizer.

01:16:26

man okay I like I would again I'm very unlearned on this topic but I almost think like that pharma puts out articles like that to show that they're progressive or something like that but they have no intention out of ever releasing that in mass to people or something like that like it's

01:16:43

It's just something that you'll read about, but you'll never actually experience from any doctor in the West ever. MDMA is now as an application with the FDA. Oh, I know that's been around for a while. Completely clinical trials, yeah. But LSD, again, I'm open. Yeah, I think LSD, because if they start…

01:17:00

prescribing LSD, it won't be long before people realize it works the exact opposite way to the SSRI drugs. And it cures depression, in which case it's like, okay, so you've been giving me SSRIs for like five decades, and if its antagonist is curing depression, then what does that imply about the SSRIs? Do you say MDMA? Is that the one you said earlier? MDMA is about to get approved. The application has already been filed with the FDA. But doesn't that cause brain damage?

01:17:29

- They don't care. People with PTSD have a 50% suicide rate. Let's put it this way. So even with brain damage, if you can reduce the suicidality by half, it's going to be hailed as a huge success. And by the way, PTSD rates in the general population are not small either. After the pandemic, I would say probably a third of the population, if not more, has PTSD. - Including me.

01:17:54

All of us, Danny. We are wounded warriors. On that note, I think we'll pull the plug here. This is really fun. Appreciate you joining me and giving me your time, Georgie. You're such a wanted man these days. And appreciate all the support. I think we have the most people watching ever other than the Ray episode. So appreciate you guys. We'll do another one of these soon. I do coaching on patreon.com slash Danny Roddy.

01:18:20

And I also do group coaching now. You can find Georgie supplements on IdealabsDC.com. You can follow Georgie on Twitter.com slash hate it. Follow me on Twitter.com slash Danny Roddy and t.me slash Danny Roddy. That's where I usually put up more stuff. Georgie, any final thoughts here?

01:18:40

Not really. I'm sorry. Do you have anything to say to people? No. Yeah, no final words. I'm happy we didn't talk about chickens. We didn't talk about a cyber attack. And so this episode was a complete success in my view. Completely focused on the matters at hand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Hey, appreciate you. Thank you so much. We have an amazing audience. Thank you. We'll see you guys soon. Peace out. Have a good week.

Edit:2025.07.07

最近，Ray Peat的理念因一些非主流人士的推广而引发热议。我和Georgi Dinkov就此事进行了深入探讨，我们都认为，重要的是Ray Peat的理念能够传播并帮助更多人，而非关注推广者是谁。

我并不在意是谁在推广Ray Peat的理念，即使是连环杀手。我关注的是这些理念能否民主化，进入公众视野，让大众自行判断其价值，而不是由少数精英来决定其命运。我曾经与Ray Peat本人讨论过右翼人士推广他的理念，他对此并不在意，反而认为这是一件好事。他认为，只要这些理念能够帮助更多人改善健康，传播得越广越好。

Georgi Dinkov也完全赞同我的观点。他认为Ray Peat的社区非常聪明，能够识别虚假信息，因此不必担心理念会被曲解。他提到，内分泌干扰物会导致男性女性化，女性男性化，LGBTQ的比例迅速上升，这并非一时潮流，而是内分泌系统受损的结果。他观察到，Ray Peat提出的几乎所有观点，如今都有人在主流社会中进行宣传，这证明了这些理念的价值和影响力。

我们还讨论了其他一些与Ray Peat理念相关的议题，例如：

• 女性荷尔蒙避孕药对女性健康的影响： 一项研究表明，荷尔蒙避孕药通过阻断孕酮合成，导致女性长期处于压力状态，这与Ray Peat长期以来关于雌激素和肾上腺关系的观点相符。
• DHT和睾酮的区别： DHT和睾酮在促进肌肉生长方面具有相似性，但DHT更强的雄性激素作用，且其代谢产物具有镇静和改善认知功能的作用。
• Bryan Johnson的95°体温： 我们对这位声称花费巨资改善健康的生物黑客的体温表示怀疑，认为这可能并非健康的表现。
• Idealabs的最新进展： Georgi介绍了Idealabs在利用维生素B1、B3和生物素治疗肿瘤方面取得的进展，实验结果显示肿瘤出现明显缩小。
• Gilbert Ling的关联-诱导假说： 我们讨论了细胞内水的结构及其与钾离子的关系，以及类固醇对细胞代谢率的影响。
• PUFA（亚油酸）与炎症性肠病： 一项研究表明，摄入过多的PUFA会导致炎症性肠病，这解释了近年来炎症性肠病发病率上升的原因。
• Ray Peat作品的未来： 我们讨论了Ray Peat作品的保存和传承问题，并认为其理念的价值将得到持续传承。
• 琥珀酸和ALA补充剂： 我们讨论了琥珀酸和ALA补充剂对甲状腺功能低下的患者的潜在益处，以及如何安全有效地使用这些补充剂。
• 线粒体功能低下的影响： 我们讨论了线粒体功能低下与免疫抑制之间的关系，以及其对感染性疾病易感性的影响。
• 咖啡因对“运气”的影响： 我们探讨了咖啡因如何通过提高新陈代谢率来增强个体对环境的感知能力，从而影响“运气”或同步性。
• 主流媒体对迷幻剂的宣传： 我们认为，主流媒体对迷幻剂的宣传背后存在某种议程，这可能与制药公司寻求新的药物研发方向有关。

总而言之，我们认为Ray Peat的理念具有重要的价值，其传播和普及对大众健康具有积极意义。我们希望更多人能够接触到这些理念，并根据自身情况进行判断和应用。 重要的是，这些理念能够被大众所理解和接受，而不是被少数人所控制。

Edit:2025.07.07

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georgie dinkoff general energy 101 we were just talking about the follies of putting your health in somebody else's hands and how deleterious that was but the hardest thing on the on planet earth is trying to figure it out for yourself so what that's right what what do you do in that situation i think a lot of people are basically saying look this is so complex i'm gonna mess it up right uh i

00:24

I want somebody else to take responsibility for these actions. And I think that's probably what most people pay the doctor to actually do, to kind of like absolve them of responsibility of life and death decisions. You know, they can always defer to, hey, look, that's what the doctor said. Who am I here to argue with? You know, I don't know, knowledge and medicine and whatnot. Yeah.

00:43

Unfortunately, more often than not, a lot of these doctors are basically either just running their clinic and they just want to make a buck and then go home to their families like most other people do. They're not that interested in what they're doing. It's just a job, right? And then other times, these people may be on big pharma's payroll.

01:03

I don't know if you've seen that big database that ProPublica, the website has, of all the doctors that are receiving money from Big Pharma. I mean, I've looked at several of the doctors that I've seen a long time ago because I haven't been to a doctor in probably a decade. Actually, 80 is coming up now. And then every single doctor that I saw later when I found out about this database turned out to be receiving money from Big Pharma. Actually, more than one Big Pharma.

01:29

company. So, yeah, so either just going through the routine, going by the book, right, or pushing drugs that big pharma wants this person to push, or sometimes going to really experimental stuff, you know, just because that's the fad of the day. Like, I think intravenous glutathione is the rage right now. That's what I'm hearing. So, yeah, I don't know about that. I mean, I don't know if you saw some people on the forum were also like,

01:53

interested in raising glutathione with glycine and NAC. I was just reading about it on the forum, my egregious stutter. And so that's the only thing that I've been noticing. You see, we're being watched all the time. Everything's being studied. The slightest mistake you make in the acquisition is out there. Yeah, Ray's whole theory is completely wrong because I've developed a stutter apparently.

02:16

And nobody thought of the obvious. Danny, in the presence of two young, attractive women, maybe, you know, started to stutter. Why isn't that the explanation? Or at least one of them, but it's always like something related to Gil. Yeah.

02:32

I don't know. I'm probably going to do it more just because I'm thinking about it. But I honestly think I was just somebody nailed it in that thread. I was overstimulated. But to be honest with you, this I've been telling people this basically all week. There's like 100 things I don't like about myself. And that has never even made the list. Like I could care less. And that doesn't even bother me with like listening back to podcasts.

02:54

a recording of myself. So if that has developed, I'll take it, you know, because there are times in my life where recordings where I absolutely did not stutter whatsoever, but I know how I felt during those times, you know, so. It's the girl factor, man. I'm telling you, I've never heard you stutter before. But also I was really excited for, to talk to them about chickens. Oh, okay. So how is their, how is their thing going? Last time I talked to them, they were just about to get a hundred chicks or something? No, they have a thousand chickens.

03:24

Right. They were getting an additional, like basically the total number is a thousand. They were waiting on a supplier or shipment or whatever. Got it. Of more. It was really fun to talk to them because one of the main things I was going to ask them was,

03:36

when a chicken gets sick and then rapidly declines like what would you do and i think ashley was like danny sometimes it's just too late and you can't save them and i'm not really willing to accept that per se you know i always think there's something to do but um since i mean this is coming up on almost a year of having them the i mean we talked about it last time but the heat stress is like the new thing so this was probably one of the hottest days of the year today and uh i kind of put

04:04

put the aspirin on the sidelines but was so desperate brought it back out and gave them like four grams in their water and it's too early to tell but they seemed to be panting less and so it seemed like it was working what did you put in the water about four grams of aspirin in the end of that study that showed that basically that prevents the uh heat induced um hyperventilation yeah and uh

04:31

And then was giving them your vitamin K in their food and give them a few thousand IU of vitamin D as well. And just getting the source of fruit and keeping up with their food and stuff. People that feed them grains, you can feed them in the morning and then not think about it again. I'm doing everything the absolute hardest way of feeding them fruit and milk and stuff and multiple feedings.

04:56

And so I'm just teetering the line of nervous breakdown at all. Why can't you have them like be free roaming and then you feed them like a couple of times a week with really nutritious stuff like chopped liver with butter and gelatin and calcium. And that's like once or twice a week. And then the rest, they basically like scavenge. So that's coming. Like I have a little mini chicken coop that's in probably in three or four months.

05:19

I'll have a center area on the property with a new fence around it, and that'll be a gigantic chicken coop. But, I mean, they'll clean through food really quickly. Like, if you put out multiple kilos of liver, they would chew through it. They wouldn't just leave it there. Right, but I'm saying, like…

05:36

the idea of the chicken or at least of the war war warlord chickens is that these things are supposed to mostly like fend off for themselves like find their food and you give them like a booster so to speak once or twice a week yeah like the things that like like the fat soluble vitamins I would actually try giving them vitamin E too I think there's some good studies about that too so like A, D, E, and K right once a week and then basically like I guess the aspirin you can probably you know have to do like more than once a week but like the

06:05

The polyglots and all, going back to that. Stuff like that. You can give them a booster once a week and it should be enough, right? The livers, just like with humans, it should be once a week or even once every two weeks. Yeah.

06:15

the, the big thing is space and in keeping them safe. And so that's like the biggest rate limiter for all. Why safe? What's going to attack them? Well, one, my dumb ass dogs would probably kill them. So that's not the best thing. Are you serious? The dogs will attack them? Probably. Like I have no confidence that they would not attack them. They're, uh,

06:37

I didn't put the most effort in the world training, but they're kind of, they kind of, the biggest thing that I've done is one would jump up on people and it actually hurt somebody. I knew like it jumped up in the pot, the nail scratch somebody and cause them to bleed. And I was like, man, that can't, that can't, can't happen again. But anyways, if you have a rooster, the rooster will take care of the dogs. Like the rooster will beat the crap out of both of them. P.

07:06

pick the shit out of them, scratch. You know, he's got these like things on the side. I don't know what they're called. Talons, yeah. Yeah, the talons, yeah. And if you want, you can buy these things because you're in Mexico, you know what they do with those roosters. I know what they do. You can go to a local market and probably find these things that look like swords. And you attach them to the talons and I guarantee the dogs are not going to go there again. Yeah, so they can kill my dog.

07:29

I was not going to kill him, but he was sliced up a few times. I think they'll learn the lesson. That's really what I want. Hey man, harsh environment. This is about survival. That's why you went there. Not to replicate some kind of a peaceful lifestyle in the middle of the wilderness. It's, uh, yeah, it just would require a little bit more fencing, which, um,

07:51

Anyways, it's constant learning. I think I've said this a thousand times, but I think they'd be so hard and they're really that hard. Something I do need to say is anybody that's been following my tree adventure, that has been a complete total failure. So I stopped doing that. And from May of last year to May of this year, it's been an utter failure. And ants won out and nature beat me. And I beat my will to grow trees.

08:19

What kind of trees? Like orchards? Yeah, I had about 20 trees. Tangerine, orange, guava. And the ants… Did I not tell this last time? Sometimes I forget what I've been saying to people on calls and on this podcast. But the ants were going up the tree stems to cut off all the leaves.

08:38

And so I put goopy stuff, organic goopy stuff on the bottom that they would stick to. And they cut down leaves and put it on the organic goopy stuff so they could walk over. Once I saw that, I was like, okay, I'm defeated. I'm not going to worry about this anymore. And so, I mean, all basically, except for three, all 20 of the trees are dead. And it's like a major blow to my effort here.

09:03

Let me tell you why you truly were defeated, because I saw an extra step beyond that. Some people will basically paint the bark of the tree for about a foot around it. They'll cover it with calcium hydroxide. And it's a significantly large area. So basically, the ants can't really cover it all.

09:29

So I've seen ants when this is done and they cannot really crawl on the bark and crawl up the tree. They would go and basically latch onto these things that look like little puffs that basically float in the wind. What are they called? It's like dandelion. Have you seen how dandelion turns from the bright yellow flower into this puffy thing that basically spreads its seeds with? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ants will latch onto that and use it as a freaking shuttle.

09:56

to like fly and get on the tree. But in my case, at least in Bulgaria, they don't do it for the leaves. They do it for the right fruit. So yeah. So if the tree has anything that the ants want, they will find a way to get there.

10:10

I mean, I've seen them latch onto like spider webs. I don't remember the article that the spiders fly because of the difference in electricity, that every meter or every three feet of distance between the surface of the earth and like an altitude has a difference in potential of 100 volts.

10:28

So basically the spider web, it's so light and also negatively charged that basically it's, you know, the spider latching onto the web flies because it's being repelled from the, you know, from the surface of the earth. Not so much because of wind. The wind carries it, but the actual flying of the spider is done almost automatically. It's basically floating. It's levitating. And it's being pushed away.

10:54

because the, basically the, the, the, the, the potential increases with, with, with distance from the surface. And I've seen ants climb on that spider web. I don't know for what reason, but I saw them latching onto the puffy thing to get to the tree. I've seen them latch onto the spider web and fly away. I didn't see them going to the tree, but I'm assuming they're latching on to the spider web for a good reason. I,

11:14

I don't know if they're relocating. That's the way of long-distance exploration, but I've seen them do that as well. So they know their surroundings and they know how to survive and thrive there. That's crazy. I didn't know that. I don't know if we've ever talked about that or if we did, I forgot about it. But calcium hydroxide, trees do have that here, but a buddy of mine has that and ants just go up his trees immediately. So I didn't even…

11:42

think about putting that on there. Well, it dries up. So actually, you have to periodically redo it. And I think now they came up with a version that it's very slowly drying out. And then basically, because it acts like a very strong base. It's like sodium hydroxide. If you dip your finger into sodium hydroxide, it'll turn the tip of your finger into soap almost immediately. It'll dissolve it. Mm-hmm.

12:02

So that's the whole idea. I mean, same idea. Now, of course, you don't want to put sodium hydroxide because it's going to destroy the tree because it's living tissue, right? But something weaker but still strong enough to kill small organisms,

12:14

So calcium hydroxide is what they typically use. But the problem is it quickly dries out and gets deactivated into calcium carbonate, right? And then basically that doesn't have nearly the same effect. Now, what you could do, try to do, is get methylene blue water solution, add some vitamin C so it becomes decolorized. I don't know if it matters, but actually you can try it with a color one too. And just spray the bark around it and see what happens.

12:42

When there's sunlight, that methylene blue basically gets activated, and I think it can actually generate enough electric potential to zap the ant and kill it. Oh, well. We'll see. I'll have to rally hard to want to do… I mean, that was so much effort, and for them to all die, it was a major blow. But I mean, I haven't completely given up. I think I will grow trees in the future. But for now, the chickens, I think it's going to take precedent. But what's going on in your neck of the woods? How is Washington, D.C.?

13:12

Yeah, about the same. Crime is still going up every year since the pandemic keeps increasing. So now the chief of police resigned, found himself a cushy job. And I think they have a recording of him saying that this mess is unsolvable. So he doesn't want anything to do with it. So he, you know, we'll see what happens. But yeah.

13:32

It's becoming another neoliberal crap hole, and I don't see it going back to normal. It's just the people and this general feeling of malaise and anomie, which I think we discussed the last time. It's everywhere. Basically everywhere.

13:47

Nobody does anything. Everybody does the minimum amount of effort to follow any kind of rules, not even in regards to work. Like stealing. Any store I walk into, I started looking around and checking if there's going to be a flash mob or somebody's there picking up stuff and stuff. Because a lot of times these people are crazy and don't know when they're going to pull out a knife or a gun on you. They don't care. They'll shoot you. And if the person is under 18, they will not even be prosecuted in D.C. Mm-hmm.

14:15

Can you imagine that? So, yeah. So that's, I think since

14:19

similar in San Francisco and New York. I think they're still trying to keep a lid on it and maintain it under control because of the embassies. They don't want to turn it into a complete zoo because there's so much international coverage focused on Washington, D.C. But if you're… When I first came to the United States, there was a certain area in D.C. that you did not go. Just don't go there. Don't go even during the day, let alone after dark.

14:46

those days have returned and now basically you can you know even downtown parts of the city which were bad in the late 90s when I came then they got gentrified they got a really like high-end classy areas and now basically after that nine o'clock or after dark people just don't go out on the street it can be mugged you know kidnappings are on the rise they can they can be hit by a stray bullet all kinds of stuff so yeah

15:14

Yeah, but not much different than since the last time I spoke. It's almost like, I think that's what the powers that be are counting. We're living through a collapse right now. It's been going on for so long that people are just numb to it. And we don't think of it as a collapse because we think collapse is something else. But that's what collapse is. It's little stuff around you breaking down all the time until the cumulative effect gets to a point where basically nothing works.

15:39

I don't know how soon we're going to reach that point, but the stuff breaking down on a daily basis, that's definitely there. I wouldn't say it's accelerating, but on a steady basis, it's there. It's not attenuating. So you're saying I should cancel my trip to D.C.?

15:54

No, no, come to DC. I'm not sure there's much to see here. Just kidding. I'm not leaving my house for a long time. Afraid of the deadly virus? Dude, I have something to get off my chest. Like, I will fully admit, I have…

16:09

PTSD from like 2020 and 2021. And, but I think that I would think, I think that's a good thing. You know, I don't know how you could operate in 2023 and not be scared out of your mind for what the future has come. And I understand how people will perceive what I'm saying, but I think it's,

16:29

If you are not scared for the future, I don't know what, I don't know what to say. Like if 2020 and 2021 didn't scare the shit out of you, then I don't know what to say. Like it's basically now we're like screw organized the panic. Just no, no, no. I mean, I, I've been living in line with my fears of doing things about it, you know? And, and somebody might say, Oh yeah, it's easy for you to say you have land or whatever, but like, um,

16:55

I was living in Airbnb is bringing eco flow batteries and Nana card cases with me and stuff. And so this opportunity kind of fell on my lap, but I was even living, living consistently with my beliefs when I was living from Airbnb to Airbnb. But, um,

17:10

Again, I… The founder of Intel said, only the paranoid survive in business and in life. Very paranoid at the moment. That's the basic state of life. Another quote from Voltaire. They asked him, like, so, you know, how do you think a person should live their lives? He's like, it's not about what it should. It's about can. You can only live your life in two states, convulsive anxiety or lethargic boredom. And he said, most…

17:36

I don't know of a single person who was in the latter state and lived past 50. So convulsive anxiety it is. It's, I don't know if I said on this podcast before, but it's a little bit like triggering to me when people are acting like it's 2019 in 2023. And so I guess. No, I mean, I know people who are trying to do that, but basically like over, over a drink or two, they'll admit that, you know,

17:58

Stuff is like really normal, but the underlying, the baseline on which they were basing their assumptions of normality are no longer gone. I know people who, I mean, most regular families in the States who have a mortgage, whatever net worth they have, assume it's positive, because I really have doubts about it. I don't want to bring that up because they need to freak out. Assuming it's positive, it's all tied to the house.

18:23

Now they're saying basically, even the ones that are saying in DC that the ones, that the people who have houses can afford to sell and the one who want to buy them can afford to buy. It's like both groups are waiting to see which group are going to get screwed worse, but both agree that something big is coming and somebody will get really screwed and they want to see who that will be.

18:48

So, as usual, the powers that be will play off the two groups against each other. They'll say the younger groups who basically never had a chance, they lived through three once-in-a-lifetime financial crises over the last 20 years, they're the ones clamoring for debt jubilees and student loan forgiveness and steamy checks and whatnot. And then basically the government is saying, or the powers that be are saying, oh, look at the boomers.

19:13

You know, they got all the money is there. No, it isn't. Actually, two-thirds, I think, of boomers have no retirement savings. And by that, I mean nothing. When I'm talking about houses, because that actually, people who have a house, right, but don't have like a 401k, their car, in spite of the one-third, actually has something because they can do like a reverse mortgage and whatnot. And now the commercials for that are really through the roof.

19:39

to actually have some money for retirement. No, two-thirds of boomers have nothing. So really, it's like asking two people, one of them has $2, the other one wants to fight over equality, while the person who has $100 walks away and cheering them from the side. Yeah, and please don't misunderstand. I'm not saying to freak out about it and do nothing. It's just to try to do something or to orient yourself. I mean…

20:03

Like, weren't we talking about financial collapse stuff in like 2020? Like Ray had mentioned this on the podcast that they were going to get rid of legacy systems and all of that stuff is coming to fruition. I think it was already at that point was already done and decided and implemented. I'm sorry. There was already like passed as a law, like the legal structure was already there. They were ready to go forward with it.

20:25

So now what we're actually seeing is this stuff being rolled out in real life and slowly the public is being told. Did we talk about the UMU? Like the universal? Yeah. So IMF, without any announcement in any other press, you would think that the rollout of universal digital central bank currency would be like, I don't know, the political economic event of the year, right? No, just a single…

20:51

press release and it's like buried in the bottom. It says, “Hey, the DSCA,” which is like some kind of a digital group that it's kind of quasi IMF, of course, it's a super national, right? Unelected bureaucrats running things again. And we've decided to release the universal monetary unit, which is a central bank, digital currency to which all the other central banks around the world can hook up.

21:17

But now it's up to them to decide how they can, they're presenting as if it's a choice. Now all the other central banks get to decide and through internal debates with the local population, how and when and what, and how to hook up to that basically, to hook into that EU and EU, right? Well, guess what?

21:32

if 140 countries around the world entirely depend on their survival and IMF loans, do you think there will even be any debate whether they adopt this or not? Of course they'll adopt it. No, it's a done deal. I think there was a comment on Zero Hedge and it was like, 2024,

21:48

three was a bad year, worse than 2022, but not as bad as 2024. I agree. Well, at least the way things are going now, I mean, basically, uh, you know, things are moving forward, but, uh, again, I still think that that stuff will not come to fruition without, um, without some kind of a major cataclysm. Um, and I, I still think the war will escalate because, uh,

22:13

They actually tried, I don't know if you saw what happened in Nigeria. They tried to roll out the digital currency and it didn't work. People just refused to use it. Now, because Nigeria is a massive country, but it's so poorly developed, maybe in Nigeria, people's daily lives really don't depend that much on, they've been doing cash, right? But now the Bank of Nigeria is saying no more cash,

22:33

They have like, I don't know, 48 hours to start using the digital equivalent. I forgot what the name of it was. And people still weren't using it, which means that they either went to barter for whatever other reason their lives, you know, went on without the need of any currency. Maybe, I don't know, they're using stones or something else, stone currency or tokens. But, you know, they declared the project a failure and now they're regrouping and think of how to actually force the population to do it.

23:01

So I think it will probably be implemented, at least on paper, officially in the more developed countries like Western Europe, Canada, New Zealand. I don't think it will fly in the U.S. I think we're going to see a secession or actually a hot civil war before this thing gets implemented here. Or they can implement it and say, throw a lot of incentives to people and basically we'll figure out what percentage of the population really is that dumb and or desperate.

23:30

And that will be, you know, eventually probably a stimulus for a breakdown of the country, you know, in a peaceful manner. That's probably the best way.

23:39

Yeah, I know it's like beating a dead horse, but I think there's, like you said, there has to be some inciting incident that rallies people on both sides, like a group of people that's for it and a group of people that's against it. And so they can argue about it. Then like, just like the vaccine, like that's exactly the playbook they did. They introduced it and they, the problem reaction solution, like,

24:01

Like we haven't gotten to that point. So that's why, you know, they're just priming people's consciousness for a CBDC, but they're not. The word on the street here is that, that the, the next, the next thing on the, you know, on the agenda is the war with China, right? They're going to wrap up the thing with Ukraine, both sides with a clear victory. It's obvious that Russia won or at least got what he wanted, right? Uh, NATO will probably continue to exist only on paper, but it's basically a paper tiger at this point. Um,

24:26

The economy of Europe is trashed. I don't think it could continue in its current state if all the gas has to be imported from the United States.

24:34

So fully vassal, fully subordinated to the United States. So the rallying cry in the United States already is, let's take on China, right? And then hoping that if that happens, basically, first of all, it will justify for them saying, yeah, not a financial crisis because of the war, blah, blah, blah, CBDC. While also rallying both sides and saying like, look,

24:57

We don't like each other. You know, this guy has speedies but wears a dress. You know, the other guy likes to, I don't know, likes to wear swastikas and I don't know, shoot people like, you know, in the dark if they have dark skin and whatnot. But we have a common enemy. So, you know, let's rally around that because it's an existential threat. I don't see what else will do it. Maybe war with Russia, but I, you know, just not seeing it because, you know, I think,

25:27

the way the neo-cons are pushing things here is that the United States has more to win with a war with China than it does with a war in Russia. If they can handle China, then with the resource of China, then they can take on Russia, right?

25:42

And then they believe there'll be a much easier victory. I don't know how you win against the nuclear superpower, but that's just me. And I think these people are delusional. But at least the version that's being promoted here in the local think tanks is that China is the goal.

25:58

Russia is just a distraction. Okay, we tested our weapons, right? We saw what Russia can do, what it cannot do. Now we have a better idea of how good of an opponent they would be. Let's go and take on China, crush them, get their—we may lose a few aircraft carriers, but if we get their economic base, then with that reinvigorated United States and united, we're going to go and take on Russia.

26:24

If my investments materialize, I'm going to build a bunker. And then maybe we can do this podcast from that bunker, George. You don't need to do a bunker in Mexico. You're closer to the equator. So if any nuclear war happens in the northern hemisphere, the people that are living closer to the North Pole, they're the ones that are screwed. But what about… I had seen multiple graphs of an EMP if it was dropped in the center of America, and it would affect central Mexico, allegedly. And so that's…

26:53

Again, you need a massive EMP to affect such a large territory. I mean, to mimic a coronal mass ejection from the sun that will basically cover, I think it was one in the 80s or something in Canada that completely wiped out the electrical grid for three days or something. I'm forgetting what the event was, but I don't think currently the human technology can replicate that. You have to drop now, of course, nuclear weapons can generate EMP.

27:19

You need to nuke. You have to nuke every country in Latin America probably to generate an EMP that big. Unfortunately, I don't have sound because this computer is not plugged in. But this is just one of the many little segments recently on the news that are talking about the power grid going down from white extremists. This one's the funniest because the source is online chatter.

27:43

what other chatter is there? Like, so I thought like the offline is long gone. If you remember Bush, when he had these like color, color coded threat levels. Oh yeah. I remember he started this whole crap. And, um, in one of the Michael Moore movies, uh, I think it was fair. I had, uh, nine, uh,

28:03

Fahrenheit 9-11 or something? Yeah, in which he said basically, like he was ridiculing Bush, and he said, in the end, he basically said he didn't even give any, stop giving any reasons for raising the terror threat. He just said that basically these people are hostile, and the threat from them is ubiquitous and 24-7, and they're following the online chatter, and online chatter is 24-7, and they're monitoring it for as long as it justifies, you know, raising the threat level, they will keep raising it.

28:31

I mean that we just saw that play out with the coronavirus stuff. It was complete mind control manipulation, scare, scare tactics though. Uh, where do I want to go with this? I actually was watching a good video. It's by a girl named Alexandra. Um, I forgot her channel name, but she, she was saying, uh,

28:49

every group of people had different manipulation, mind control tactics. And so I was watching her video on nineties kids. Like, do you remember Ren and Stimpy? Like, uh, the, the cartoon show, like, do you remember watching violent cartoons when you were younger? Like that, they weren't, uh, very popular in Bulgaria. I think like that's, that's because Bulgaria only imported, it was poor country. So you can only buy the rights for like, uh, very few things like the Smurfs. I don't know. Yeah.

29:16

like regular cartoons, Mickey Mouse, that kind of stuff. I'll link it in the show notes, but, um,

29:22

She was saying I, her video hit home for me. Cause I remember growing up watching Nickelodeon and like ultra violent cartoons. That was just completely the norm. And she was saying it was a concentrated effort by the CIA and intelligence. It was kind of disappointing. I thought they're going to be, you know, a little, they're going to put a little more detail in there, but the, basically the, everything that we've been seeing is all quote unquote art and

29:49

is in fact either most of it directly government-funded propaganda against the Soviets. But then later on, basically, there's this very good line in the article that says that basically, for whatever reason, the powers that be in the States, in the Western world, were really afraid of Russian realism.

30:08

So they wanted to replace it with something else. They wanted to replace it with abstract impressionism. And that was because when the plebs in the state start feeling, you know, they're kind of like disenfranchised, poor and whatnot, then, you know, basically through this art, people, you know, the powers will tell them, like, we have to ignore reality. You know, like, it's not, it's not the state. That's not the important stuff. Behind it is such a much more important.

30:34

And that's exactly what we're seeing now, are we? Saying like, hey, you cannot trust your senses. Whatever you see, it's not there. Unless an expert is interpreting it for you, it does not count. Yeah, there's a William Blake quote, like if you want to control people, you'll dilute the art. And that's exactly what the CIA is doing. That's exactly what they're doing. Whoever's been doing it, and if you look at this, this started in the early 20th century. And guess who started the Museum of Modern Art? Our friend, the Rockefellers. Yeah.

31:01

Well, Frances Stoner, we've talked about this with Ray, I thought. She wrote a book called The Cultural Cold War. Oh, yeah. The article that essentially mentions the mighty Wurlitzer. I don't know who wrote that. Ray has an article that plays on that, but there's an actual article, the CIA's Martin Wurlitzer. Yeah.

31:20

And it's about art basically how CA controlled art around the world to you know to further advance its propaganda. Yeah last thing we can move on We don't have to talk about this at length, but have you ever heard of Fiona Barnett before she was like a satanic ritual ritual abuse survivor and She's she's not saying things that I've never heard before but the detail that she describes what happened is

31:47

is the most insane thing that I've ever heard in my entire life. Another one basically saying that all of these crazy conspiracy theorists and nutjobs that are saying that these people sacrifice children or chase them with Dobermans, like that sick fuck from Belgium, whatever that was. Oh, yeah. That it's definitely there. Well, I think she's actually the source of that. It was called the teddy bear picnic or something. But she drew a picture of it, of what exactly happened.

32:15

And, um, again, if you have a strong stomach, I'd watch her. She has like a, a documentary on her. That's kind of hard to, it's not really pieced together that well, but the parts where she's describing what happened is incredible.

32:30

mind-blowing absolutely the craziest stories i've ever heard and this stuff is not like new to me either but i was like oh my god that's like the the stories are absolutely another question is how come all these people all these survivors they always have ptsd they always know how evil these people are how come we never get a random lone wolf attack

32:52

These evil freaks, you know, like the only time that somebody gets killed is somebody important and good and trying to change things for the better. I have a theory about this. We're getting dangerously close to FBI knocking on our doors, I think. But I have a theory that if a rogue nutter was going to hurt a

33:14

like a senator or something like that, I think they would not tell anybody. Like, I think they would suppress that story to not give people, like, you're only- Oh yeah, to not empower them because if they knew how easy it was, was the president, I think it was Eisenhower, who basically said like, well, how do you sleep all at night? Was it Eisenhower? Oh no, Lyndon Johnson. After Kennedy was killed, then Lyndon Johnson became president and they said, well, how do you sleep all at night? You don't know that you can get killed at any time? He's like, listen,

33:42

Let's be honest here. With all the Secret Service and everything going on, all that it stands between me and death is a loathsome wolf who is willing to part to exchange his life for mine. That's all that it takes.

33:57

You just always know it's MKUltra type of stuff when somebody starts shooting up a mall. It's like, what the hell? Like, these are your targets? Like, this is ridiculous. And now they don't want to release the manifesto of the transgender one that showed up at school? Like in the…

34:14

That again, I'm not an expert on that, but that seems really phony. Like that. She's wearing different shoes in different parts of the thing or something. Did you see that? Yeah. But also the manifesto basically saying like, they don't want to release it because she wrote a manifesto and they're saying it's so detailed. And there's so many things in there that can be used by somebody to wreak havoc, a lone wolf again, to wreak havoc on society that it's too dangerous for society to know. Um,

34:37

And the people on 4chan are saying, no, somebody high and powerful is probably corndogging this tranny. They don't want to release that. Or maybe there's stuff in there that basically really exposes certain communities within the United States that are being used, being presented as victims, while in reality they're not.

35:02

Crazy. Yeah. On that note, why don't we get into some topics about Pregnoload? Move away from the FBI. And also, we don't advocate violence on this show, so don't ever hurt yourself. Oh, no, no, no. It was just pure curiosity. How come it never happens?

35:20

for people from the elite, you know, it's always somebody who's trying to change the system. Yeah. Agreed. Okay. What's, I didn't go to your Twitter to check out which were the most popular, which were you getting the most chatter? I can actually see them like, cause like the screen, the screen is split and then yours is also split. So it's like, Oh, okay. The first thing I seen the second one is the, Oh yeah. I think the fasting exercise is,

35:44

Keto can promote cancer. I think that's a big one. I got a few hate mails because of that one. It really talks about something that I wasn't aware that AMPK, which is really like the holy grail. If you go to any health store or you talk to anybody who knows a little bit of biology and advocates exercise, low-carb, fasting, keto, whatnot, paleo,

36:06

They'll tell you, you want to activate AMPK. AMPK gets activated when the energy levels drop, and basically AMPK makes you be really like, what should I call it, judicial with your calorie burning. In other words, it lowers your metabolic rate. It suppresses the oxidation of glucose and activates the oxidation of fats. So that alone right there should tell you basically that's not something you want to activate chronically, right? But then there's also the effect of it increases mitochondrial biogenesis, but

36:33

If you look at those articles that are saying, well, that's because the body thinks that you're low on energy, so you need to produce more. However, even the Wikipedia page, if you look at the Wikipedia page on AMPK, I think I included there as a link, basically it has an entire section on the role of AMPK in cancer. And as…

36:53

consensus and is biased and is fraudulent as Wikipedia is even the, that, that section basically couldn't, could not hide the fact that apparently the role of AMPK and cancer is well known. The only thing controversial so far, and I think the only reason it is controversial is that they still haven't let go of that whole genetic theory, the mutations first, and then the metabolic arrangements after, right. Which is actually backwards now that we know, uh,

37:18

but they're saying like, oh, we, you know, it's controversial whether chronic activation of NPK can cause cancer. We don't know. There's evidence, you know, for and against, but,

37:27

Even these idiots there are agreeing that if there is a cancer present, AMPK is almost universally a tumor promoter. Basically, it protects the cancer cells from the immune system. And because it increases their fatty acid oxidation, as we've discussed several times already, it basically makes them into highly aggressive, hypometabolic, energetically depleted cells, which

37:49

really they're very good at latching onto other cells, eating up their mitochondria is another study that I posted a few months ago, demonstrated. So if you wanna get, if you have a dormant tumor, if you wanna get it reactivated and worse, if you want it to spread,

38:04

Do low carb, do exhaustive exercise, do keto, do fasting, et cetera, et cetera. Anything that activates AMPK is likely to make the situation worse if you already have, and that's agreed by mainstream medicine. If you already have a tumor, AMPK is not your friend.

38:20

The only thing that remains to be proven, and not in my opinion, but in mainstream medicine circles, is that, okay, what if you don't have a tumor yet? So can chronic activation of AMPK get you into the cancer state? And if you look at the article, maybe three months ago, they posted it said fatty acid oxidation, the one metabolic ring to bind them all. That made a very strong case with evidence saying that that is the first step. Any chronic disease starts with the suppression of oxidation of glucose and

38:47

And, you know, subsequent increase of the oxidation of fat is through the Rendo cycle. There's no other way. There's nothing else that a cell can do. As Ray said, the cell is not evil. It just cannot overrule its environment. If you can only oxidize fat or glucose and you're providing only one of those, then that's the only thing that a cell can do.

39:07

The funniest thing about low carb folk is that they always use auto Warburg to justify their ideas of not eating carbohydrate. And I, this was not even take me that long. I can't remember what book of Warburg's it was in, but it said, never advocated against sugar. I don't know where this is coming from. Well,

39:26

Well, he said in one point, one of his books, even if it were possible to remove sugar from the body, the health of the tumor would not be threatened. And he did those experiments. Like he actually saw it in vitro that you cannot, because obviously when he saw that this is a metabolic derangement, he tried to change it, right? And he said-

39:43

There's some kind of a defect, right, that basically establishes aerobic glycolysis and then providing more oxygen, basically, or cutting off the glucose, which we think, you know, at the time they thought that basically that's the tumor promoter. Neither one of these things help. But flooding the body with ketones, that's good.

40:02

good, right? Yeah, of course. It's going to increase your insulin sensitivity. Speaking of which, remember when Ray, just before he passed, he said that basically there's some renewed interest in insulin resistance because if you're insulin resistant, it should actually help you lose weight because insulin is the fat-promoting hormone. Remember that? Yeah, he would occasionally… Well, the drug Ozempic, guess what it does? It drastically increases your release of insulin. So…

40:29

In support of RAIN, what others have been saying, you should really be loading up on those carbs precisely because they're raising your insulin in the hope that eventually you may lose weight. Well, the other thing is people never talk about the positive things about insulin. So it clears the blood, free fatty acids. It helps convert T4 to T3. Yep.

40:49

stimulates the stereogenesis, the stereogenic cascade, the transport of cholesterol into the inner mitochondria where it basically gets cleared and converted to pregnenolone, that is also insulin-dependent. - And then they, so again, maybe I'm talking– - Oh, recent article, basically like, again, 180 degree to the truth. Glucocorticoids were found to be inflammatory and actually promote the expression of the endotoxin receptor, and even the authors of that study said

41:17

Well, maybe that's why corticoids were found universally to not help in sepsis. We've been giving them to people for decades, and actually these people have worse outcomes. Now we know why. Paradoxically, glucocorticoids, while they may dampen the immediate inflammation, they make it drastically more susceptible and actually more productive for inflammation later on. That one study showed increased expression of TLR4. And another study for glucocorticoids showed increased expression of COX and LOX.

41:44

So, yeah, while you're taking the corticoids, you may be suppressing the production of these end-point inflammatory mediators, but the moment you stop, your rebound is going to come back with a vengeance. And they found, the second study found that actually insulin had the exact opposite effects of the glucocorticoids, decreased their expression of the endotoxin receptor and suppressed the

42:06

expression of coccyx lung. Were you referring to a specific thing that you had written about? Yes, go up in the search thing and search for glucocorticoid inflammation. Like on hey.me? Yeah. Glucocorticoid. Or cortisol inflammation. Just cortisol inflammation is probably easier. This is kind of synchronicitous because probably like… Two articles. There should be two articles. There we go. We found them. This one? Yes, that's one of them.

42:35

It's just insulin blocks it. Yep, that's one of them. And then there's a previous one, if you go back, that's the more recent one. Actually, I'll link in it from that first one.

42:45

The vitamin D one or this one? No, no, the second one. Yeah. So if you click on that one, see? See, there's a glucose-free increase in inflammation. Yeah. So these two articles combined show you, and actually the authors of the studies are saying, hey, guys, I think we got it wrong. Like, we really should not be doling out glucocorticoids like candy to hospital patients because, well, for once, they immunosuppress it, right? And we all know that a leading cause of death in hospital is what? Inflammation. Infection. Got it.

43:14

Okay, so clearly you don't want to be immunosuppressed, you know, going to the hospital. And, you know, a lot of people are already, right? They have lower, especially if you're diabetic or you have cancer or whatnot, if you're getting chemotherapy and radiation. But giving glucocorticoids will definitely make that worse, right? On top of that, somebody comes in with inflammation, unless it's really life-threatening, such as they cannot breathe or they have such a massive edema that it's suppressing on a vital organ or a blood vessel or something. But there are other ways to, you know, to kind of help that.

43:41

You know, glucuric acid should be treated with extreme caution and only be reserved for situations where nothing else helps. And basically, you know, the risk justifies the benefit. They're saying in this case, the benefits that we thought were there weren't. And in fact, you're incurring the so-called…

43:56

which are called inflammatory death, right? Like you dampen inflammation for now, but then it really is coming back with a vengeance the moment you stop glucocorticoids. And we know you cannot administer them chronically because they're going to, you know, shred your muscles, shred the skin, the organs, the bones and whatnot, atrophy your brain, make you diabetic, right? All of these are no side effects of glucocorticoids. If you go to a doctor and the doctor gives you a Medrol pack, which is a very common oral, I think it's like methylpregnisolone. Mm-hmm.

44:23

Or dexamethasone, which is a much more powerful one, still oral medication, glucuric acid synthetics, both of them.

44:27

If you look at the side effects and if you look at the black box wording, FDA makes no secret of that. Basically, they say it reads like this is poison. Why on earth am I being given these things to take as aspirin? You really should be taking aspirin instead. Yeah. I'm talking to at least three people right now that are all experiencing negative side effects from stopping those. And they've been on it for like 10 years plus. Rebound inflammation without a doubt. Yeah.

44:54

So the cortisol and the analogs of that are breaking down the tissues, making sugar, and that's having an anti-inflammatory effect put at a great cost by breaking down a person's tissues, right?

45:06

Yep. And then when you stop that, basically, like, you know, the rebound inflammation increases, right? Now you've lost a lot of your muscle mass, so your basal metabolic rate is lower. That alone, actually, a study last year, I posted, said that inflammation really is a systemic thing. It may start in a specific tissue, but it actually looks like it's only manifested in the specific tissue. But just like cancer, right? We should think of cancer as systemic disease. You may have, like, I don't know, liver cancer, but it really is

45:31

whole body cancer that started in the liver because maybe that was the most energetic compromised organ. Anyways, that study showed that basically like if you have a chronic low-grade inflammation, you have a mitochondrial problem, period. Like no matter how you look at it, whether the inflammation caused the mitochondrial problem first or mitochondrial problem because they have a mitochondrial dysfunction, which means there's a lot of mitochondria

45:52

so to speak. So a lot of mitochondrial debris will be in the bloodstream, which activates the exact same inflammatory cascade as endotoxin, because all of these fragments that are floating around, the body interprets them just as the fragments from endotoxin or viruses or bacteria, whatever, per source that they test them. So really, inflammation is a systemic, but more importantly, metabolic issue. And conversely, if you improve metabolism,

46:15

More often than not, inflammation tends to dampen. I don't know how many people have emailed me saying like, basically like, look, I know I have a chronic inflammation. All of my inflammatory biomarkers are up. What can I do? Maybe at least half of these cases, getting like going to a sauna or like drastically raising the body temperature for like even 30 minutes,

46:36

up to like, I know I measured in Celsius, to like about 40 degrees, which is considered like a moderately severe fever. It really resolved a lot of their symptoms, especially things like brain fog or fatigue. And I think the reason it does that is basically the immune system works best. Its optimal function is when the body temperature is above 99 degrees.

47:01

So basically, if you have a longstanding inflammatory problem with some kind of a tissue damage that needs to get resolved, the body temperature needs to rise for two reasons. One, it helps the immune system. But the way it helps the immune system is by stimulating the basal metabolic rate, which arises when the ambient temperatures rise as well.

47:21

Yeah, just make sure to drink juice at the same time. And what you said, local problems are made worse by systemic problems. And so that's why— They feed off of each other because the local problem, when you have tissue breakdown, all of these—anything that gets—anything intracellular that gets into your bloodstream, of course, that triggers the immune system. And that's really the whole thing behind us with—what was the guy—

47:42

The theory of morphostasis. Jamie Cunliffe. Jamie Cunliffe, yeah. That's really the whole thing. And that's what Enrage has been saying about this for years is that that's really the sign that something's going on in the organ. The immune system gets activated. Obviously, it's going to produce antibodies against the debris from that specific organ and tissue because that's how it gets stacked for removal, right? Otherwise, this thing floats around and becomes food for real bacteria and viruses. They're always there, right? And they really don't want that because that's the way you get sepsis.

48:09

So really the autoimmune condition, the autoimmune symptoms, that's the price you're paying for not dying from sepsis. And if you suppress the immune system, if you suppress that reaction, if you look at all of the drugs, especially like the flagship drugs like Humira, go and look at the Humira side effects, sepsis and cancer. Of course, that's what you get when you suppress your immune system. Okay, before we get too long-winded here, we should talk about Idealab. So give us an update. What's new there?

48:40

I don't see a bunch of going, oh, we are a bit of a, I don't know if this is like people want to know about this or not, but there was a study done in the 1960s, and they synthesized these anabolic steroids. They were several hundred times more potent than Tremblone. That really is, you know, whoever is in the bodybuilding circle or has done athletics and knows about steroids knows that Tremblone is kind of like the king.

49:08

You do not speak ill of Tremblone. It's scripture. And whatever's been invented to be more powerful than Tremblone is usually powerful only by like once or actually not even twice. It's all like in the same ballpark. Something that's several hundred times more potent than Tremblone, that study that developed these steroids, there are two oxa analogs of Tremblone. They thought that these steroids would be able to cure breast cancer for good.

49:33

So we managed to synthesize one of them. Now we have to confirm the structure because really the synthesis has never been published. We don't even know if we have the right molecule as the end product. And then we're going to test it for breast cancer, which is what these people proposed. So we'll see.

49:49

Kind of like an interesting thing that a lot of bodybuilders are going to start emailing me saying, hey, can I get some juice? Was the recipe in a book called The Anarchist's Cookbook? Yeah. If we confirm that it's a steroid, we'll publish it in a peer-reviewed journal. So the synthesis will be published. Where did you find this recipe? Like the…

50:11

There's no recipe. So it's just a description of these steroids, what they look like, their structure, and basically their in vivo effects on their anabolic effects on mice and rats. And they found basically the anabolic effect. So this means that, I mean, like if this is several hundred times more potent than Tremblone, which means this should have effects in humans in microgram amounts. So it'd be similar to like a T3.

50:35

- And how do they make Tremblone? Is that like a natural steroid that they modify or how does that happen? - Yeah, so I mean, if you look at Tremblone, it's basically, it's nandrolone, which exists naturally, with additional two double bonds on position nine and position 11. So really, so basically you can, another name for Tremblone is 9-11-dehydromandrolone.

51:00

So nandrolone is one double bond in position four. And then the Tremblone is another additional two double bonds at nine and 11. Got it. And then you take that and basically like, but they didn't describe how, but basically like the final steroid that really tested in vivo was 2-ox Tremblone is basically what we're looking at. The Tremblone, but there's an oxygen atom on the ring A at a position two. And that would make it more, way more potent?

51:28

Way more potent, basically, like no estrogenicity, very potent anti-estrogenicity, and no androgenicity too, which will make you very interesting. I think that's why they propose it as a treatment for breast cancer, because…

51:42

using androgenic steroids for breast cancer is known since the 60s in fact there's this steroid called drostanolone which is still approved by the FDA but the reason well one reason one reason they don't they're not used as much anymore aside from the money aspect of course big pharma wants to sell its modern and improved which means toxic and lethal drugs cough cough right but a

52:05

They're justifying it with the fact that, hey, no one wants to grow whiskers by being given these androgenic steroids. Now, if this thing actually has these massive anabolic effects without any androgenicity, you'll make it like a universal anti-catabolic steroid, kind of like progesterone, but without the progesterogenicity in it. Got it, got it, got it. And then anything else going on?

52:31

We have a couple of studies going on. I have a specific question. Somebody asked me, did you change the quinone recipe? They're saying it's a little bit more liquidy than previously. No? Well, there are two versions. One is with the olive oil. The other one is the SFA esters. So the SFA esters will be liquidy because one of the solvents is ethanol. Specifically talking about the olive oil version. No. Got it. No.

52:55

It's always been the same. The only two ingredients are olive oil and vitamin K. Straight from the source. I'm sorry. Continue what you were saying before I interrupted. Oh, I'm saying… You said anything else going on? I said like we were…

53:07

doing a few more cancer studies with animals. I added biotin to the recipe of B1 and B3, because like I mentioned before, we managed to flatten the curve, but it didn't regress the already existing tumors. So hopefully we can do that with biotin. So that's the base recipe, and now I'm going to try to improve.

53:29

Anything else? Oh, we're getting closer to being able to analyze neurotransmitters in hair and nails. I think that will be pretty interesting for people. We may be able to prove certain interesting correlations, such as there's a lot of depressed people that are ready to send the samples, and a lot of them are not taking drugs. So now we're going to find out basically if serotonin is low or high in depression.

53:50

I've been seeing my Twitter wars with this guy, Dr. Palmer. No, no, tell me about it. He's this, well, he's not responding, but he's basically like, for whatever reason, my Twitter, like the timeline, keep showing me posts from this doctor. He's a Harvard doctor. I think he's a neurologist. He wrote a book that basically all mental disease is bioenergetic in origin. Mm-hmm.

54:14

But he's still dancing around. He's basically proposing keto diet to treat it, right? He's never mentioned serotonin or dopamine. He's just saying like, yeah, all mental disease seems like it's one disorder. It's all tied to brain energetics. So we should be addressing brain energetics, but never mentioned serotonin. He kept making these posts, bipolar disorder, depression, psychosis, blah, blah, blah. What's the common thing between all of them? And I respond, serotonin. Yeah.

54:41

And then I listed all these articles. No response. Then a few days later, yeah, all of, you know, like we've known for a long time that anti-psychotic drugs, which are used for schizophrenia, actually can help for depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, blah, blah, blah. What's the common thing we're told? I'm like,

54:58

Stop ignoring serotonin. And I gave all this like the study, the serotonin upper or downer, which I think is a pretty decent review. I think the guy who published it is like, wasn't he like the chief of the APA or something? I don't know, but Paul Andrews and he was interviewed for the movie that's never going to come out. Okay. Yeah. So I don't know. But again, I'm not very encouraged because it looks like even the bioenergetic movement in medicine has already been like kind of like subverted.

55:27

They're going to steer it into whatever direction they want. They're still going to propose the exact same things. This guy is proposing, of course, metformin and fasting and AMPK and all these other methods to improve brain energetics. Don't forget Dr. Seyfried. He's the cancer guy about the bioenergetic approach, but he's like full on keto. Oh, yeah. And that molecule 2-deoxyglucose.

55:53

basically, I think he mentioned in a couple of his articles. If you look at the, I mean, if you look at the, even the Wikipedia article on 2-deoxyglucose says, look,

56:04

That's actually a remnant of the old approach, which is like, let's starve the cancer of glucose. We can produce the glucose from other things. And we cannot block the oxidation of glucose, because that means blocking glycolysis fully. If you do that, you'll cure cancer, but I bet the patient will die first. Well, with fatty acid oxidation, we can actually block it. It has been done. People don't die. They may become hypoglycemic, but you simply give them more carbs. And that's the end of it.

56:32

But that second part, nobody talks about. Except in isolated studies, which the good thing is because I keep checking their age index rank and basically how popular they are. At least the researcher community is starting to pay more attention. Probably because things are desperate. Basically, nothing's working.

56:52

And, you know, probably the best testament to that is that, do you see the recent approval that the FDA did for the Alzheimer's drug? No. Basically, the results were so abysmal, they had to massage the data three times and resubmit it three times. And eventually, six out of the 10…

57:11

advisors at the FDA, like the advisory board, I think the majority of them ruled against it. They forced them to resign just so they can get a quorum and approve it to actually to treat Alzheimer's. Completely, I mean, completely fraudulent drug. So that's where we're at. And I think the situation is not much different in cancer treatment.

57:30

Well, hopefully, I mean, thankfully you're out there changing hearts and minds with all your… No, I'm just aggravating people. And I think that's the way it should be done. Who was the guy who said people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. The rest is you should stir war in conflict. And then that's what… Because behind the scenes, you know, unless you're completely insane…

57:52

I think behind the scenes, people, of course, are going to put up a fight just to keep a safe face, right? But behind the scenes, I think most reasonable people will be like, okay, I mean, as usual, the truth is probably somewhere in between, right? And basically, if even 1% of

58:07

of what the bioenergetic group, not this guy, Palmer, and the others. I don't consider them part. I think they're Trojan horses, actually. But if 1% of what the bioenergetic group is saying, then this is what we're being given right now by medicine is not simply inept. It's actually fraudulent and homicidal. Like people should be going to jail for that kind of stuff. Yeah. Those people have been around for such a long period of time. It's not too disturbing to me. It'd be more disturbing if somebody was like,

58:34

this Ray Pete was a genius. And then they went on to start advocating keto and stuff like that, like to really dilute what he was talking about, you know, and there've been attempts like that to present on the forum. I don't know if you've noticed. Well, well,

58:47

- Oh, well we were talking about that. - We've had agents like that on the forum. - Oh, no doubt. - I think the forum admin made a very good decision, I think maybe two years ago, to stop accepting new members, or at least they were doing very good filtering of whether they're gonna contribute or not. I mean, I'm not against debate, but when somebody comes along and it's obviously hostile and trying to like, you know, is it called shit posting?

59:11

Everybody is open to criticism, right? But if you open to criticism in a way that basically really plays into people's fears and you provide no solution, right? Then I'm not sure criticism has much of a value. It's just, it's fun. Fear and start to doubt. And we don't need that, okay? If you're going to do fun, then propose a solution, no matter how ridiculous it is. And the other thing is, at least make, that's how I know that some people are simply being subversive.

59:38

When you're trying to post a new thread, the related articles feature in the forum, I mean, we'll present at least 20 on the topic, and it's pretty good at pointing out things that are contrary to what they're related to the topic, right? Somebody wants to argue in favor of keto,

59:53

There will be like at least 20 articles underneath saying like, Keto causes cancer, keto does this, keto does that. Read them, right? And then try to present or at least put on screen saying, hey, here's my thing. Yes, I know there are all these other articles. Show that at least you've read them, right? But in the overwhelming majority of the cases, that's not what I see. It's just a low-level effort.

01:00:15

or to basically disrupt the community without really contributing. And to me, that is a hallmark of either a government operative or basically people who are just up to no good. I don't know why, but there are people like that. They don't have to necessarily work for the government. They just derive pleasure from destroying other people's hard work. - Just gonna recuse myself from this conversation.

01:00:39

You know, I could ask you about another article, but I did ask for some questions. These, so these are not tell me what to do questions. So you tell me if these are okay, but, um, are you, are you read some of these real fast and tell me if they're okay. I see one of them is about Tyra max, but, uh, I don't, I don't see any of this. I, I, I, I, let me just read some of these too, and we can edit this out if, uh, it's no good, but, um,

01:01:04

Uh, Ren says how to shift philosophy of chronic sick person from fix my problems for me, or tell me one quick, easy thing to fix all my problems to them, investing in experimentation, reflectiveness, and personal responsibility.

01:01:17

Well, I think they need to do something. I don't know what that would be, but to break out of the learn helplessness. Even if it happens once, I've seen miraculous changes in people. It's difficult to sit there and lecture somebody and tell them like, hey, you need to do X, Y, and Z. I think we've all been there. Realize that that's not how things are. They don't want to hear this. They get defensive, right?

01:01:36

So, I don't know. Sometimes, usually, a drastic change in environment helps a lot. Like going like, it doesn't even have to be a vacation. Simply changing the current environment where you are. You may think that you're going to carry your problems with you when you go to a different place, but that's not how the mind works. You will carry some of them, but you'll be forced to adapt to the new reality. And if the new reality is even slightly less oppressive than your current one, I've seen miracles happen overnight.

01:02:02

Other than that, basically, I don't know, meeting new people with a drastically different perspective or at least culture than yours. Simply, it all comes down to basically shifting yourself as far away as possible from your current mindset, which even if you may have the best intentions of being there, fighting whatever is around you.

01:02:26

If things are not working and you repeatedly, they call it repeated defeat in the social research with animals. Eventually, that's a very good way to induce learned helplessness. Repeated, basically failed attempts, especially if the stress is unpredictable. So unpredictable stress combined with your responses to this unpredictable stress failing, that's a very good way to get into learned helplessness. And really, you need a break from the life in that environment right now.

01:02:53

And we'll wrap it up after these. I know it's late. So, and the one thing I would add to that is I think it was Young who said, maybe it was Maslow who said,

01:03:03

What's necessary to change a person's mind is the awareness of themselves. And so sometimes when somebody is pressuring me on a phone call to like solve their problem, I'll start asking them more questions about themselves. So like, as like, what was your digestion? Like, what is your sleep like? And, and a lot of the times you'll see how, how dysfunctional so many different areas of their life is. And then it's like,

01:03:28

it makes the problem bigger than maybe they think it is, or they're asking you for a quick fix. And I think as they talk about it, they realize like, oh, so many things are off here, you know, and maybe there's a bigger problem. But also you're yourself plus your circumstances. So I think the changing of an environment, that's really what you're doing because like sometimes you're working very hard on yourself and

01:03:49

but in the presence of oppressive circumstances. And by the way, even that guy, the Spanish philosopher, even he said, the inherent purpose of the organism is to be free and rebel. The inherent purpose of the environment is to be oppressive. So, you know, we know it will be oppressive, but change it into a different environment that will be oppressive in a different way, so that you can actually look at the old problems with a new eye and try to solve them. Okay.

01:04:13

Thanks for that, Ren. We'll get through these last three. What do you and Georgie think about the best path is for youth navigating the digital age, assuming the online work and interaction will be necessary?

01:04:24

In the current state, I will stay as far away as possible from social media. I'm firmly convinced, and I've been following this for a very long time, that sites like, specifically, I'm giving an example of Reddit. They're a large-scale psyop, and there are people working there. We know they're working because there have been documents released on the FOIA request and whatnot. The stuff that gets on the front page of Reddit is not there by accident. It has nothing to do with what people voted for.

01:04:49

It is there to, if you look at the page, you can always, and over the last couple of years I've noticed, you always see a couple of pieces of violence. You'll see a couple of pieces that are completely disgusting. You'll see something that deeply challenges your very basic fundamental beliefs about reality. Really, the goal is to kind of destroy your firm grip on reality and start to question yourself.

01:05:11

even your sanity or even reality, everything that you see on the front page of Reddit. And I've noticed this on Facebook feed as well. Uh, they say like, it's tries to adapt to yourself, but I've seen the exact same themes pop up on many different other people's Facebook feeds. So it's not just related to me. Um,

01:05:28

There's research published on that too. Basically, a lot of people, like I don't know if you've seen over the last couple of months, a lot of prominent psychologists have come out on TV and said, social media is destroying mental health. We need a solution. And the only solution, the short-term solution is to use less of it. Of course, they have ulterior motives to push you something else, right? But that is true. That's based on research showing that directly, that basically the content that's presented

01:05:53

is very, very deliberately picked up and it's curated in a way to really make you go berserk. There's no better way to describe it. It is very deliberate. There's nothing random there. The enemy does not give free publicity to anybody or anything unless it helps the cause.

01:06:10

So stay away from social media. If you can find like-minded people, usually happens in like more niche forums, like the one that we're using or like it doesn't have to be that one. Anything that can basically, where you can find people that are, uh,

01:06:22

Contrarian but not negating is probably the closest thing that I can come to describing it. And what I mean by that is that, well, first of all, these people, the first thing I look for is open-mindedness. If there's no open-mindedness, then I don't even care if these people are friendly. Over time, I know when I get to a point where basically they're going to regurgitate the same thing over and over again. It's a waste of time. And to me, actually, it's dangerous.

01:06:47

than a hostile person because at least my guard with the other person will be up and I can actually respond. And really it's kind of stimulating in a sense. But with this person who is basically just sitting there and doing nothing and saying nothing, well, a lot of stuff is coming out of their mind, but doesn't make a lot of them out, but it doesn't make much sense. It's not aggravating you, but it's not contributing. It's not challenging. It's not contributing to your, to your spiritual growth. It's not, you're wasting your time. Basically you need to be away from such people. So try to find semi like-minded people who,

01:07:15

Not yes, man, definitely, but not negatist either. And it'll just interact with them. It doesn't have to be, they don't have to have the same interest as you. Just open-mindedness and general interest in supporting life and fighting for defending life against this technocratic nightmare, which if it gets implemented, there'll be no place to hide. Make no mistake about it. I'd only recommend using truth social. What do you think about that, George? Yeah.

01:07:44

- True social? - That's Trump's social media platform. - Are you being sarcastic? - Yeah, it's very sarcastic. - Yeah, Gap or like whatever. No, look, centralized, don't know how many people have been using, maybe following the search engine evolutions after Google and Bing and Yahoo turned out to be complete crap, completely compromised, and now people are actually aware of the very poor quality of Google and even Google being the leader.

01:08:10

There's some alternative search engines starting to prop up. DuckDuckGo, Moji, I don't know, Brave and whatnot. Little by little, every single one of these is kind of being brought in line, being brought, curled in, and kind of told, listen, now you're making, because all of these, the search engine business is an advertisement. If you want to make money from advertisement, you will do as the establishment says, or you will go bankrupt. They will

01:08:35

They will sue you. They will not give you ads, ad money, right? They'll find a way. Okay. You know, they will find a way to crush you. Doug, Doug goes fully compromised at this point. Um,

01:08:44

I think maybe like, I don't want to advocate the Google, they say they're doing Russian propaganda. The Yandex search engine seems to be giving fairly unbiased results in regards to US political matters. I don't know about the other stuff, right? But again, if you want to know what's going on in US politics, you have better chance finding out by using a Russian search engine, searching for these topics than do any of the American search engines. All of them so far that I've discovered are biased and censored.

01:09:12

in sometimes very subtle ways. So yeah, so keep an open mind, read news about the world, but from different sources, preferably foreign, and sometimes preferably from the enemy, if you consider them even to be the enemy. What was that expression? Keep your friends close and your enemies closer? Well, you've got no friends in these days, so the only thing that remains is to keep your enemies close. Yeah.

01:09:37

The only thing I'd add to that is if I could do life over again, I think I would have tried to encourage my younger self to get into the trades or something more physical. And I think that would be- Practical and analog. Yeah. Stay away from the digital culture. It's really, the Unabomber Manifesto is a very good read if you can keep a distance from some of his more extreme propositions. Yeah.

01:10:00

Yeah, I think internet theology, internet politics, and then internet nutrition to me are like the biggest waste of time. I can't negate them completely because I'm not ashamed of who I am. And I, but like,

01:10:17

Those are such toxic things for a young male to pour themselves into. And they won't provide anything much later. They'll just rob you of your vitality, I think. Anything that's large scale and basically delivers information supported by advertisement is by definition compromised, by definition toxic, right?

01:10:38

And in the long run, will do absolutely no benefit to you. It probably just poison your mind further and drive you down into learning helpers. It's not that things are not terrible right now, but it never presents solution. Even if they're theoretical, it never even mentions them.

01:10:53

That's how bad things are with censorship. Even people that I know that work in the IT field, even they didn't realize how bad things are until I gave them 10 different search engines and said, “Okay, search for this exact same topic on a different search engine. Let's see what comes up.” And now you read the articles. By the way, I'm finding sometimes, not always, that Google, depending on how you access the article, if it's through Google News, sometimes Google will actually present you a version of the article that is modified. It's not the same as the article that's appearing on the original website.

01:11:22

Yeah. That's to me, that's like, that's the ultimate. This means this. I don't know. Of course, Google can do it because even though it's, I guess it's plagiarism because they're kind of presenting as the owner, like they injecting things there. The very least is, I'm not sure if it's illegal, but it's definitely not kosher, right? You're presenting things written by journalist X, what two or three paragraphs, or maybe even most of it, it's actually rephrased and actually written by Google or it's algorithms. That's, that's definitely happening. So,

01:11:48

So you can only see that by using different search engines and access media from different parts of the world. But in general, anything large scale and popular, I would stay away from it unless it comes down to discovering controversial content.

01:12:01

Sometimes it helps, you know, if you feel like you need to pick me up, you want to see what the masses are all about. But again, even that doesn't mean that that's what the masses would like. Very often the stuff that we present to you, it will be controversial, but it's not what it's really on other people's minds. It's just what they want to be on your mind. Got it. Two more, then I'll let you go, Georgie. Update on Tyromax and NDT suppliers. So the Tyromax, we're expecting a new batch of the powder to come in around June 10th.

01:12:31

So hopefully by June 10th, we'll have it back and stop. Okay, last one. Ray and Haydet disagree on the effectiveness of topical pregnenolone. Ray says it's basically useless. Haydet says it raises levels even more than oral…

01:12:45

It's not true. Ray never said it's useless. He said that he thinks that such a high dose will be needed to actually produce similar effects, that he doesn't think that a liquid formulation is feasible, simply because pregnenol has such a poor solubility in virtually anything. The only thing they dissolve pregnenol well in, and I don't advocate doing that, is chloroform.

01:13:07

the only solvent. And you can dissolve pregnenolone in chloroform in a concentration about the same as progesterone. So you can have a progestine chloroform, but with pregnenolone, don't do it.

01:13:20

But yeah, anything else, pregnenolone is really notorious for not being able to dissolve most anything. However, if you want to try it, basically, you don't have to dissolve pregnenolone. You just mix it to make emulsion with any kind of oil of safe origin, like olive oil, coconut oil, butter, anything that suits you. It doesn't have to be dissolved. It just has to be emulsified.

01:13:41

like well-stirred, right? And apply on the skin and rub. It absorbs remarkably well. It may take some time, but you will feel the effects. And they're different than the effects of progesterone. They're unmistakable. And you don't have to apply on the scrotum. I know a lot of people do that. You don't have to. And actually, really very small doses, actually, have profound cognitive effects, at least for me.

01:14:02

Pregnenol is supposed to be stimulating. At least that's what a lot of the literature says. I think that applies only to large doses taken orally, mostly because when you take it orally, large doses converge to something called pregenol sulfate, which acts as a GABA antagonist. So it will do a little pick-me-up. The effect is similar to caffeine.

01:14:20

But when you actually apply it through the skin, the sulfatase enzyme is not expressing the skin very much. So you're going to get most of the pregnenol absorbed as pregnenol or actually converted into downstream metabolites. So it works very well as a, you know, kind of like, I don't want, well, maybe not allowed. If there was a safe hormone replacement therapy, transdermal,

01:14:41

that will work for both males and females. And if only they have to take one thing, right, I will take Pregnenolone. I think it works really well. It will convert to androgens if needed for the males. It will convert to progesterone if needed for the females. And it will balance the hormones. By the way, plenty of feedback on that on the bodybuilding forums. If you look, even though those products that have been sold there are terrible, even those absorbed,

01:15:05

And a lot of times, if you search for pregnenolone bodybuilding, you will see people posting their blood results, and they're unmistakable. Now, whether you believe those results or not, it's a different story, but there's plenty of feedback there.

01:15:21

Last thing on this wasn't like when I used to buy beyond a century pregnant alone, they maybe in like 2013, they marketed it, it as 99.9% pure. And then around 2014 or so health natural, which was another big producer, they, they sent an email to everybody saying, Hey everybody, now we used to have 99.9% pure, but now it's 99.7% pure. And then now it's,

01:15:49

years later, if you go to their website, now they're selling 99.3% pure pregnant alone. And I thought Ray was saying that, Hey, real pregnant alone is astronomically expensive to make. It's like beyond the reach of an average person. Cause it's, you'd be paying hundreds of dollars for a gram of it. And, uh,

01:16:06

And then he was saying because of the impurities in it, it would have things that were like estrogen. And so that kind of jives with people I talk to that use the powders, and they tend to have –

01:16:19

kind of wild effects from it. And it seems like it's not like on paper, pregnenolone should never cause a person to have like mania. But people have told me they'll take some and they'll feel like out of control of their thoughts. Well, I have a cheap, dirty version for cleaning out the pregnenolone that I think works really well. These estrogenic metabolites of pregnenolone, they're mostly into the estrane fractions, which means steroids that basically have the carbon 18 core, which estradiol and estrone are.

01:16:47

These steroids exert their effects in microgram amounts. So if you're willing to lose, let's say 5% of your pregnenolone powder,

01:16:57

Or like take a spoon of pregnenolone, put it in a glass, and then fill it up, let's say Everclear or even isopropyl alcohol, and heat it up a little bit and stir. And then basically some of the pregnenolone will dissolve, but because the estrogenic fractions and the other metabolites are there in much smaller amounts,

01:17:17

Virtually all of them will dissolve in this very large amount of liquid. Pregnolone has very poor solubility, right? Remember. So you're gonna be dissolving mostly the additional things that are there other than pregnenolone of steroidal origin, which we're assuming that basically the steroid fraction is there, the estrogenic fraction is there.

01:17:35

And then you take that liquid while still hot and you pour the liquid out and the prenatal powder remains, right? So some of the prenatal will dissolve in the alcohol and you'll throw it out, but it won't be a big amount simply because prenatal is so poorly soluble. But vast majority, if not all of the other stuff that's bad for you should dissolve. And then you pour it out and then you're going to have, you can do this several times to

01:17:57

to basically purify completely, depending on how much pregnenolone you want to lose. It's not a big amount, basically. I think each process like that loses maybe about 2% to 3% of the powder that you put in. So you do it a couple of times, you lose 10%, but then you have like a triple distilled pregnenolone. And I've tried that. It does have slightly different effects. I wouldn't call it groundbreaking, but it does have slightly different effects, which tells me that Ray was on the right track.

01:18:23

So you can try that, especially if it's giving an allergic reaction, because estrogen actually is known to trigger the allergic reaction. And if you're getting any kind of a rash from the pregnenolone, especially if it's pure powder in butter and olive oil and you apply it on the skin, it gives you a rash, chances are it's something in the pregnenolone as an excipient, either a contaminant of some sort or one of these estrogenic metabolites that's causing this. So you can eliminate that through George's distillation method.

01:18:51

So we have the Bulgarian beef burger and now we have your distillation, Bulgarian distillation, pregnenolone method. Yeah. The, the, the, the, the pregnenolone Smirnoff. Yeah. It's tripled as still, right? Okay. With that, uh, we'll close out the show. Uh, Danny Roddy dot sub stack.com. So many people have been supporting, uh, subscribing to monthly subscriptions on here. I really appreciate it guys. That really helps out. Um,

01:19:17

And then I do coaching on patreon.com slash Danny Roddy. And there are a few spots open. So idealabsdc.com. That's Georgie's supplement company. Georgie, thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Sorry about the mishap on the time. That's completely my fault. No problem. I really appreciate you. Couldn't do these without you. Thank you so much. And we'll see you soon. And we have an amazing audience. And thank you guys so much. And we'll see you guys soon. Peace out, everybody.

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